December 11, 2009
Five U.S. Muslims held by Pakistan for alleged militant links

For much of this week, the mysterious story of five young Muslim American men has been unfolding in Pakistan and in the U.S.

The suspects, who lived in the Washington, D.C. area and allegedly wanted to fight against America in Afghanistan, were detained by Pakistani authorities.

To discuss more about the arrests, Edie Magnus interviews Irshad Manji, professor at New York University and author of “The Trouble with Islam Today.”

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#31

I am not suprised all the time watch differents various TV program with topic word terrorist who is actual terrorist and why terrorism is major issue around the world
How people can live and world can reconcile with out riots and intimidation
Thanks Amin

#30

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH - THE BENEFICENT - THE MERCIFUL:SAY:HE,ALLAH IS ONE.ALLAH IS HE ON WHOM ALL DEPEND.HE BEGETS NOT,NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN.AND NONE IS LIKE HIM.[QUR'AN:112]” ” REBUFFED IN ITS EFFORTS TO BUY THEM FROM THE U.S.,ISLAMABAD IS TEAMING WITH AN ITALIAN FIRM TO BUILD ITS OWN.” [PAKISTAN PURSUES ITS OWN DRONES -L.A.TIMES FRIDAY,OCTOBER 9,2009].AMERICA IS IN A WORLD WAR AGAINST ISLAM AND MUSLIMS. THIS DID NOT JUST BEGAN WITH THE FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST MUSLIMS SEPTEMBER 11,2001 ” THIS IS THE CRUSADES.” [GEORGE W.BUSH].AIPAC CONTROLS AMERICA’S FOREIGN POLICY AND THE CARLYLE GROUP AND OTHER ENTITIES THAT COMPRISE OF THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX HAVE TAKEN OVER THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT SINCE NOVEMBER 22, 1963.ISLAM IS A WAY OF LIVING AND THE ECONOMIC SYSTEM OF ISLAM ONCE ESTABLIHED POSES THE GREATEST THREAT TO THE INTERMNATIONAL BANKING SYSTEM WHICH CONTROLS THE U.S.ECONOMY WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM SINCE 1913 ” BILLIONS FOR THE BANKLERS DEBTS FOR THE PEOPLE.”ISLAM FORBIDS USURY.AMERICA,BRITAIN,FRANCE,ITALY,GERMANY,RUSSIA HAVE HAD THEIR WARS AGAINST MUSLIMS AND BEEN DEFEATED ” OF ALL OUR STUDIES HISTORY IS BEST QUALIFIED TO REWARD ALL RESEARCH.” [MALCOLM X].IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY OPPRESSING AND EXPLOITING MUSLIMS AND THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES MOST OF THESE GOVERMNENTS WHERE MUSLIMS ARE LIVE UNDER THE MOST REPRESSIVE GOVERMENTS AND MUSLIMS HAVE MORE FREEDOM HERE IN THE USA TO PRACTICE ISLAM THAN ABROAD.SO WHAT SENSE DOES IT MAKE TO PLOT ANYTHING HERE WHEN MOST MUSLIMS I HAVE KNOWN SEEK ONLY TO LIVE IN PEACE,ACQUIRE AN EDUCATION,VOCATION,ADEQUATE EMPLOYMENT AND HELP PEOPLE REGARDLESS IF THEY ARE MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM.FROM 1969 TO 2009 WHAT HAVE THE MUSLIMS IN AMERICA BEEN DOING TO BE MURDERED, BOMBED,TORTURED,IMPRISONED,DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ETC.? dawah_ma_90221@yahoo.com-TAIF’TUL’ISLAM -P.O.BOX 338-COMPTON,CA.90223

#29

LARRY! Haven’t you heard the Vietnam War Cry: Kill a Commie of Christ!. The Cold War is over, we need a new enemy. Actually, Christians are not too bad. They don’t take their religion as seriously as Moslems. Peace will come when all religion bows to critical thinking and humans realize they are all one family and that morality is a natual realization - not something given from “holy” books fit only for wiping one’s bottom.

#28

Amazing how the slimy red necks, bible thumpers, racists, bigots, Islamophopes, illiterate 1st grade drop outs never waste an opportunity to trash Islam and Muslims. Looking at the past and recent history of Christians and Jews, I am afraid Christians and Jews have not a leg to stand on. Was Islam responsible for the Jewish Holocaust or the use o f nuclear weapons on civilians in Japan or the slaughter and rape of Vietnamese and N. Koreans? How Christian to rape an Iraqi girl then burn her body and kill her entire family and yet be applauded as a “hero” in the US with a token dog and pony show to make the world think that American war crimes are being addressed. Between Iraq and Afghanistan the US has massacred more than a million civilians. To me they are no better than the Taliban. At least the Taliban are honest and unapologetic about their convictions. What is your excuse you hypocritical low lives? Or did Jesus tell you to do it and said whatever you do you are already forgiven? You pathetic hypocrites make me sick.

#27

These latest terror-cell busts are more like how the British do it. They have had numerous arrests by simple good police and intel work. That kind of approach to what is a rather small number of gihad lunatics, is going to be more productive than trying to send armies after them — saw a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth

#26

The Lady Professor Manji, spoke most rightly in that the Taliban or al-QAEDA have..NO Respect or
value of human life or individual freedom even to other ..Muslim’s ! There is NO JUSTIFICATION TO THEIR ..MISERY THEY DELIBERATELY TARGET UNARMED
VICTIM’S …mostly women &children and they call or use RELIGION as a cover for JUSTIFICATION OF THERE …MOST EVIL DEEDS ..men with black-hearts !

#25

The mob has spoken. We may judge a society by how it treats its minorities. We do not need to wait for the facts, we have our prejudices and our minds are made up. So what would Jesus think?

#24

America saved the lives of millions of moslems in Cosovo,somalia, and Bosnia from being whipped off by then serbia or civil war but they dont appreciate.EU and USA help discover their oils that make them nose up but they dont appreciate! US has given free education and nice houses to somalis who used to live basic lives in their own countries but moslems dont appreciate so what else can do to have moslems happier ? I think they pbly wants USA to be a member of OIC!!! Dont ever hate Israel or else you will fall under god retribution, please. See Sadam Hussein used to pay $25,000.00 any palestinians who brew himself in order to kill Inocent Israelis, see what happened to him. Hanged by rope to death! Communist countries used to support palestinians, trained a lot of hijackers and hated jews, see how communist took a nose dive and hard hit by an endless economic difficulties! See what happened In pakistanis Streets now after Mumbai killings of Inocent Rabi?Endless suicide Bombings! See what happen in somalia now after somalia way back in 1976 trained terrorists who eventually went ahead and hijacked Air France to Entebe?An endless civil war, blood shed,femine,all kinds of deseases,and an inhabitable place!!!!!!!! God say to Abraham, I love you and who ever love you I will bless him but who ever condemn you I will give him hell! You wont win a world cup and promote good tourist attarction if you hate Israeli(keep secreat)!!!!!!!!!!!

#23

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#22

American and Europe are going to suffer more casualities owing to their being too lenient with muslims in their countries. The muslims from Arabs worl are going to open mosques and convert a lots of european and American into Muslims religion who laiter become radicalized into hating their own countries! When American and European want to go a preach bible in arabs world they meet a lot of limitation hence become totally discouraged. So, why they keep allowing Saudis to keep opening mosques in Eurpe and America while the same Saudis forbade christinianity in their own country? American and Europe wake up! Look now, these american muslims they do not appreciates for what you did to them, free education and civil libertytheir dadies have been enjoying for long time. They would rather go and fight americathan become engineers help build America. That prove no muslim like america.

#21

DESPITE THE OUTCRY FROM THE “MODERATE “MOSLEMS I DO NOT RECALL EVER HAVING HEARD OF A MOSLEM TAKING TO TASK, ANY EXTREMIST EITHER ACTIVE OR ON THE VERGE OF BECOMING VIOLENT,RATHER THEY PROCLAIM “DON’T BLAME US” MENTALITY. WHY DO NOT THE MODERATE MOSLEMS SPEAK OUT BEFORE,RATHER THAN AFTER SOME ACT OF VIOLENCE. I SHOULD THINK THAT IF SOME MOSLEM PERSON IS INCLINED TO VIOLENCE,IT WOULD NOT BE A SECRET,BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE THAT GENERALLY EXPRESS THEIR ATTITUDES BEFORE THEY ACT

#20

I am not surprised at all. Pakistan has turned into a terrorist country. I dont mean that every Pakistani is a terrorist. But they are so full of hate towards United States, Europe, India, Israel that their ultimate aim is to kill. Just look at their news papers, watch their television shows, its such a brain wash. Just listen to their shows, they still claim that 9/11 has been done by United states itself with the help of Isreal, Mumbai massacre has been done by India itself, and they claim this all was done to defame Pakistan.Even their polls in newspapers and televisions show that majority of people in Pakistan think that there is some international plot/conspiracy against pakistan played out by United States, Israel, Europe and India. How can we expect that society to change overnight? We have to be very careful against this extremist society. I am not saying this out of a whim or some kinda prejudice against pakistan, im just lucky enough to understand their language. We have to be very very careful now. Britain already saw bombings and that sorta stuff at the hands of people of Pakistani origin. Its obvious to see what kinda society pakistan is, that they are so full of hate that not only people living in Pakistan are full of hate towards us but they are passing this on to their next generations, even far beyond the international boundries. There can be many excuses, such as poverty, religion, so called injustices(since each party in every war claims they’ve been wronged), but these are just excuses. There are billions and billions of poor people on the face of earth, nobody is killing innocents like this. How many Jews were killed by Germans, no Jew went ahead blowing themselves up in Germany. Pakistani terrorists have been coming and killing Indians on the streets for decades, why not Indians go and do the same in Pakistan? Well, the answer lies in how the societies guide their generations; as respect rights of every citizen, fulfill your duties towards the society and guide future generations to be better people for the sake of whole human race.Peace.

#19

I’m not a Muslim. I compliment you for interviewing the Muslim lady. It shows there are rational Muslims. I have a friend who is one. He is a Palestinian. A very sweet person. I know Jews,born agains and Buddhists. It is not what you believe that counts with me but what you do. No matter how much you read your scripture and believe it, if what you do is bad you are nothing but a hypocrite. Religion must first be a way of life.

#18

Unless increasing poverty and illiteracy are not confronted, it will not matter how many hi-tech weapons or massive #’s of troops are deployed. Intelligence agencies have played undermining roles for at least 100 years. These young men are likely well-paid to play this game. Only 20% of Islamists world-wide pervert the Qu’ran in this way. The rest want no part of violence. Always check who has financed “studies” it will be revealed the powerful private political sources are behind them.

#17

It baffles me as to what they expect they will have if Islam wins. No one has defined that and I wonder if they would be demonstrating as the Iranian students are now just as they did against the Shaw more than 30 years ago. It is nice that they were picked up in Packistan and now will have to stand trial there and serve time in jail there. It will make them think twice about fighting against a nation with running water and bathrooms and heat.

#16

In our times,the unmatched degree of brutal intolerance,terrorism with indiscriminate mass killings of civilians of their own and of different faiths,is unique to people whose only common denominator is that particular religion.It’s an inescapable conclusion since by skin color ,ethnicity,and exposure to other cultures they are as varriable as are the climatic and topographic distictions between the Phillipines,Iraq,Gaza,Saudi Arabia,the Caucasus and the Sudan.Truly moderate Islam is either a very small minority or a sea of impoverished and intimidated people.
In the Middle Ages such a mentality was widespread around the world.
Nowadays, the only effective campain against the mentality of radicalism must be urgently organized by leaders of their own Islamic faith.

#15

I’m surprised that there have not been more American Muslim terrorists. For decades Saudi-funded mosques in the US have been preaching hatred of everything non-Muslim. Muslims have been proselytizing and converting the dregs of American society serving prison terms for rape, murder, drugs and robbery, and Muslims have been running armed training camps throughout the US. When are we going to wake up?

#14

Tall One I’m in your mind

You lay your head on a rock to sleep and I see your thoughts and dreams

Futility your only future you let your people down

Toss them hands up, walk away from your end and your oblation will be accepted as long as you remember the words

Free your people, surrender in the name of Goooooober, step into the light

#13

Radicals, Idealists?? Look back to the “Abraham Lincoln Brigade” and ponder.

#12

You have to ask yourself, who is killing who for what? Is this in the name of religion? What kind of religion?

Charlie

#11

Not suprised. American jews are in Israel demonstrating and fighting against the palestinians and nobody seems to question that and they have U.S. and Israel passports.

#10

The good doctor made two very important points. One I agree with, the other I do not.

The point I agree with: I am SO glad the emphasized that these terrorists are NOT defending Islam, they are killing their fellow Muslims.

Of course, they will rationalizes this away, with absurd and tragic excuses such as “if they don’t support Al Qaida, then they are not real Muslims”. I hope the good doctor has made these excuses sound even weaker for many throughout the world.

Now for the point I cannot agree with: it is simply not possible for Islam to do with their Scriptures, what Christians and Jews did with our passages condoning or even calling for violence.

I know this conclusion is displeasing to many, but I must stand firm: the entire framework for ‘reinterpreting’ the Koran like that simply does not exist in the Islamic world. It did (and does) in the Christian and Jewish worlds.

I have long suspected that a large part of the reason for this is what I call “Monophysite inflexibility”: Mohammad was dabbling with Monophysite Christianity before he defected and decided to create his own religion instead. But especially around Mohammed’s time, the Monophysites were extremely single-minded and inflexible in all their interpretation, just like the Pharisees as depicted in the Gospels.

So the result is that every ‘reformist’ movement to reinterpret the violent passages in the Koran will run into the sand as it flounders against this inflexibility of interpretation: those who espouse it will always be too vulnerable to the accusation of not being “true Muslims”.

#9

Obama did not nominate himself for the Peace Prize. We (most Americans) know you conservatives are jealious because a black man got it.

#8

Sadly, as an American, I can’t help viewing our country as being much like Rome in 300 A.D. The Roman’s amused themselves with bread, circuses and happily watching the lion’s eat the christian slaves in the coliseum. In the U.S. empire, it’s all about sports center, nascar and watching insurgents bombed on cnn. We’re “Sheepel” listening to “newsspeak” [fox corporate propaganda] while obsessing over Anna Nichole’s breasts or tiger Wood’s infidelities, totally incapable of even a glimmer of objective thought. JUST LIKE ROME!

#7

The USA has all sorts of individuals - some disagree with the majority - even anti majority and anti US. We need to be aware of people who might want to do harm to US citzens.

#6

Nothing surprises me about what any particular individuals do or might do in The United States. Anything is possible there.

#5

The full report has not appeared yet. The public needs more detail. In general, I would say that the Islamic militants have developed sophisticated recruiting techniques aimed at disaffected youth. Immigrants from places like Afghanistan and Somalia have a hard time adjusting to American life. I would like to see established families doing as much as they can to help them. The recruiters here and abroad are the real enemy, not the peasants in Afghanistan. They are like drug pushers and have to be dealt with effectively. I am glad to see that the government is keeping an eye on them.

#4

These children are being led by their parents and the imams in the mosques where they worship Allah. It is amazing to me that all they could see was that American soldiers were killing their muslims brothers and they do not see that the Taliban are killing muslims daily. Innocent women and children at the market buying food or at school sitting at a desk. All muslim who protest sending troops to afghanistan only see the killings done by the soldiers you never hear them once protest against the taliban or want to do anything to stop the taliban. Guess their culture is a bit different than mine.

#3

These idealistic young people perceive an unjust war in south Asia. The US in sending more combat brigades to south Asia is reinforcing this perception. The politicians in Washington City don’t understand national security in the 21st century. Mr. Obama thinks he’s FDR in 1941.

#2

No I’m not surprised. Time and again young men with insufficient life experience seek certitude in ambiguous religious texts tutored by hateful manipulative men seeking more control than they’re entitled to in this lifetime. So these young men, mere children in the way of understanding, take their new intolerance and certitude in search of a means of violent expression. Deadly certitude and the exclusion/vilification of outsiders is the way of most religions. This is sad, inevitable and timeless.

#1

I am not surprised by these 5 Americans who have taken it upon themselves to fight for the wrong side in this battle. Radical Americans have been around for quite awhile. My family background is ethnically German, on both sides, but during WWII, I had family members flying in missions against Germany. So, whatever these fellows’ allegiances are, they certainly appear very misplaced.

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