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October 16, 2009
Prosecuting the Gaza War criminals on both sides

A young anti-war protester in Paris on January 10, 2009. Photo: Flickr user looking4poetry

Almost one year after the devastating war between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip, the Security Council could soon use the U.N. Human Rights Council-endorsed Goldstone Commission Report to pursue legal action against alleged war criminals on both sides.

Supporters of Israel and the Palestinians continue to debate the relative merits of the report. Media in the Middle East are skeptical that the report will lead to concrete legal results.

Do you think Israel and/or the Palestinians should face prosecution for their actions in the Gaza War?

Tell us what you think in the comments section below. Please remember to be respectful and on-point in your comments. Malicious or offensive comments will be deleted and repeat offenders will be banned.

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157 comments

#157

All crimes should be prosecuted. The vast majority are on the Israeli side due to the war crimes they committed and are committed, but we must not forget the Palestine war crimes either.

Footnote: In 1980s when the Russian Ballet performed the Fox theater in Atlanta, Jews broke out car windows of cars parked outside the theater. Can we get some payment for that too?

#156

I know how Sari Nusseibeh thinks, I have been following all his writings and I red his latest book. I think he fully disagrees with your take on his ideas Mr.(JGE), Anyone who knows this Palestinians thinkers knows how he thinks about the occupation

#155

How did the Arabs start the 1956, 1967, 1982, and the 2008/2009 wars. Any self respecting historian and international lawyer will say that Israel is the real aggressor in all of these wars

#154

Founder Human Rights Robert Bernstein wrote in NY Times Oct. 19, 2009: Leaders of Human Rights Watch know that Hamas and Hezbollah chose to wage war from densely populated areas, deliberately transforming neighborhoods into battlefields. They know that more and better arms are flowing into both Gaza and Lebanon and are poised to strike again. And they know that this militancy continues to deprive Palestinians of any chance for the peaceful and productive life they deserve. Yet Israel, the repeated victim of aggression, faces the brunt of Human Rights Watch’s criticism.
“Pacistani civilian suffer in Waziristan” W/F report Oct.20,2009; No coments posted, all “Human rights” concentrated only on Israel.

#153

To Son of J. on #143. You are perfect example of Arab False and Denied Propaganda: “Some of the wars that Israel caused during the cold war”. – Arab countries stared ALL wars and conflicts against Israel and every time Israel defend itself and won. After defeat in 1973, Egypt president A. Sadat broke close relation with USSR. That means Soviets could not dominate in the Middle East and control Arab Oil supply. One more time Arab started All aggressions against Israe!!

#151

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#150

The interview through Google:

One on One with Sari Nusseibeh | Magazine | Jerusalem Post
Apr 26, 2007 … Al-Quds University president tells Post about his new autobiography and old quest for coexistence.

#149

Read the interview:

One on One with Sari Nusseibeh
Apr. 26, 2007
Ruthie Blum Leibowitz , THE JERUSALEM POST

#148

Son of ….J Rea what Sari Nusseibeh, Professor of Al Quds University, says:

An Israeli Arab – regardless of everything else that he might feel – feels that [in Israel] the law protects him. That he has rights as an individual. Come what may, it’s a system; it’s a state; it has elections; democracy; protects the women.

We on the Palestinian side haven’t been able to create anything like that. Come to think of it, if I were to be asked what I need a state for, I would say that it is primarily to see ways in which the needs and rights of the individual are addressed. I didn’t fight for a Palestinian state for anything else. If a Palestinian state doesn’t provide me with this, I don’t want it. This may be one basic difference between me and the Jews, who might want a state for other reasons. I want a state that will give me respect; that will recognize my dignity, make me feel equal; to develop; to grow; to feel that I’m able to practice and develop my abilities.

http://www.jpost.com

#147

Son of ….J Rea what Sari Nusseibeh, Professor of Al Quds University, says:

An Israeli Arab – regardless of everything else that he might feel – feels that [in Israel] the law protects him. That he has rights as an individual. Come what may, it’s a system; it’s a state; it has elections; democracy; protects the women.

We on the Palestinian side haven’t been able to create anything like that. Come to think of it, if I were to be asked what I need a state for, I would say that it is primarily to see ways in which the needs and rights of the individual are addressed. I didn’t fight for a Palestinian state for anything else. If a Palestinian state doesn’t provide me with this, I don’t want it. This may be one basic difference between me and the Jews, who might want a state for other reasons. I want a state that will give me respect; that will recognize my dignity, make me feel equal; to develop; to grow; to feel that I’m able to practice and develop my abilities.

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#146

Son of ….J Rea what Sari Nusseibeh, Professor of Al Quds University, says:

An Israeli Arab – regardless of everything else that he might feel – feels that [in Israel] the law protects him. That he has rights as an individual. Come what may, it’s a system; it’s a state; it has elections; democracy; protects the women.

We on the Palestinian side haven’t been able to create anything like that. Come to think of it, if I were to be asked what I need a state for, I would say that it is primarily to see ways in which the needs and rights of the individual are addressed. I didn’t fight for a Palestinian state for anything else. If a Palestinian state doesn’t provide me with this, I don’t want it. This may be one basic difference between me and the Jews, who might want a state for other reasons. I want a state that will give me respect; that will recognize my dignity, make me feel equal; to develop; to grow; to feel that I’m able to practice and develop my abilities.

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#145

Son of ……J see what professor Sari Nusseibeh of Al Quds University says:

An Israeli Arab – regardless of everything else that he might feel – feels that [in Israel] the law protects him. That he has rights as an individual. Come what may, it’s a system; it’s a state; it has elections; democracy; protects the women.

We on the Palestinian side haven’t been able to create anything like that. Come to think of it, if I were to be asked what I need a state for, I would say that it is primarily to see ways in which the needs and rights of the individual are addressed. I didn’t fight for a Palestinian state for anything else. If a Palestinian state doesn’t provide me with this, I don’t want it. This may be one basic difference between me and the Jews, who might want a state for other reasons. I want a state that will give me respect; that will recognize my dignity, make me feel equal; to develop; to grow; to feel that I’m able to practice and develop my abilities.

Read the rest In:

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#144

Son of ……J, you are changing your stripes lieberstraum means dream of love. So you are dreaming of loving Israel. That is a welcome change.

#143

Israel was a libelity to the US during the Cold war. Turkey and Sudia Arabia were America’s most effective partners during the Cold war. They did not take any money or resources, but insetead gave money and protect the Middle East and the from any major crisis. Some of the wars that Israel caused during the cold war, could have caused a nuclear war between the USA and USSR.

#142

To Major Keith Simon #140: Before start criticizes Israel, you better look back” it was totally characteristic” in your history: Hiroshima, Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq…You conclude by 2 episodes that “Israel is not ally”. Please, tell me who is the best ally of US? I have count only one,-British. I am sure it’s not enough in our turmoil time. If you do not understand what Israel did for USA during the Cold War.? You are simply …

#141

I think, none of these countries is calling itself a western democracy. Israel does, and because it does, it should be held to a diffeent standars. Once the West says Israel is an authoritaria regime then do what you want. I think it is a tarvesty/ or very telling that you compare Israel to Pakistan, Iran, Sudan, and others. Israel should be compared Sweden, Icland, and the Netherland

#140

BOTH Hamas and Israel are blameworthy. When are people going to realize that Israel is NOT an ally of the United States. Israel says it wants peace but this means acceptance of its slow and steady land grab that its illegal settlements have represented since its 1967 victory. This was clearly demonstrated in the attack on the US intelligence collection ship, Liberty. In that attack, Israeli planes ignored all indications of non-hostile US intent and killed and injured dozens of American sailors. Some ally! In Lebanon, Israili tanks encroached on the American positions ringing the Beirut International Airport demonstating nothing but contempt for the Marines’ positions. Some ally! Nevertheless, Israel attacked Gaza only after months of attempts to diplomatically resolve the Palestinian rocket attacks. It was totally characteristic for Isarael to react as forcefully and and as mercilessly as it did in Gaza. Israel has learned to only forcefull responses are noted by the Palestinians. The losers are the civilian population who are caught in the middle – as usual. Who speaks for them?
Major Keith Simon
US Marine Corps Reserve (Ret)
Pacific Northwest, USA

#139

Right now Pakistani Army is bombing terrorist’s position and many civilians will die, but so call “human rights “don’t care, as they didn’t care about Darfur, Sri-Lanca, Kosovo, Chechnya… They concentrated on Israel only. It’s very simple that UN is part of anti-Israel propaganda war lunched by Arab countries. Its call anti-Semitism.

#138

Richard Goldstone:”This draft resolution saddens me as it includes only allegations against Israel . . . There is not a single phrase condemning Hamas as we have done in the report. I hope that the council can modify the text.”

#137

These business people are in the middle of society, between the workers and the very rich. The societies largest portion.

#136

Vali Nasr is a Professor of Middle Eastern Studies and has a book: ‘Forces of Fortune’ covering ways to improve the economic conditions of the Moslem people.

The key is that increasing the number business people dedicated to commerce with the outside world, and accepted mutually, leads to peace and prosperity.

Examples are Turkey, Malaysia and Abu Dhabi.

#135

Israel attacked the Palestinians to defend from the constant fire of rockets their civilians endure. Israel fights terrorists while Hamas targets civilians with suicide bombs and rockets. The occupation ended with a full Israeli withdrawl from Gaza. Hamas does not want peace, they will not rest until the Jews are driven to the sea. They said this themselves. If the Israelis stopped fighting there would be no Israel. If the Palestinians stopped fighting their would be peace.

#134

Both Sslam Fayyad and Vali Nsr are in interviews in:

http://www.charlierose.com

#133

Vali Nasr is a Professor of Middle Eastern Studies and has a book: ‘Forces of Fortune’ covering ways to improve the economic conditions of the Arab people.

#132

In their interviews Salam Fayyad discusses the improvements taking place in the West Bank by the Palestinians: security, economy and creation of solid institutions.

#131

Israel is a self-righteous terrorist state and a never ending obstacle to world peace. Any trials should be held outside of the Middle East and by the International War Crime Tribunal in the Hague. They possess nuclear weapons and are in violation of The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and have the power to begin World War III. Gaza is the largest concentration camp in the world today and statistics show genocidal tactics are being used to eliminate all Palestinian resistance to their illegal expansion. A weapons and economic embargo should be placed against Israel until this conflict has a resolution. Although it is a political position, the US and EU are ignoring this atrocity. What will it take for the rest of the world to come forward and demand action to bring an end to this tragedy?

#130

On March 20, 2009, Martin Fletcher of NBC news reported (exact quote): “To keep their own soldiers safe in Gaza, Israeli tanks flattened Palestinian homes rather than drive on roads and land mines. The price? Today, Palestinians homeless in crushed neighborhoods. The Israeli army insisted during the war they were extra careful to avoid unnecessary damage and to protect Palestinian civilians – but today Israelis were shocked by reports of soldiers speaking out, saying they intentionally destroyed Palestinian property and killed civilians.” (NBC Nightly news “archives”, March 20, 2009, “Israeli soldiers’ tales of killings cause uproar”). As someone who grew up with the Ten Commandments myself, it appears that Israel has abandoned the very principles that they claim to be their authority for being where they are.

#129

I agree, but there is a huge difference between those who are occupaying and those who are occupied. The UN gave civilains under occupation the right to defend themseleves

#128

Both sides should be held accountable.

#127

If Salaam Fayad has done all these good things to his people, then why is Israel still arresting Palestinians, confascating land for settlers, preventing water from reaching many cities, attacking Al Aqsa mosque, and building the wall. JGE, you have to be honest enough to admit that Israel is not a peacefull country and is another form of white colonialism in the Middle East.

#126

If Americans knew what actually happens over there, it’s a no contest. I was sickened to see Israeli soldiers riding their tanks (were they paid for with our tax money) out of Gaza, smiling and fingers raised in a victory sign. What a victory: killing 1400 people, destroying schools, infrastructure, ambulances, schools — something to really be proud of, not to mention the use of white phosphorus and cluster bombs!
I’ve always wondered, since Israel “is our friend and ally in the Middle East”,how many Israelis fought with us in Iraq and now Afghanistan? And why is this friend and ally always spying on us? And how about the Liberty??

#125

I was the 7th one to comment on 10-16. Where is my comment?

#124

Oh, and something else, the ones in Israel that should be tried are the right winger nuts that killed Yitzhak Rabin, the same ones running the government now and orchestrating this attack to “feel” better after losing to a few thousand fighters of Hezbollah in ill-fated and illegal invasion in southern Lebanon.

#123

Literally, the worlds largest prison is Gaza. 1.5 million Palestinians, eight refugee camps, a population squeezed by the unending Israeli occupation for years and now the encirclement of this 5 mile by 24 mile strip of land is an unconscionable and cruel punishment of an indigenous people. Yes, some of their desperately angry young men have launched rudimentary rockets toward Israel, but the frontal invasion and murder of over 1,400 Gaza citizens last January exemplifies the general pathology Israel has exercized toward the Palestinians since 1948. The internalized suffering expressed by some Israelis and their American apologists comes directly from a need to justify this unending cruelty. Holding much of the world hostage to the notion that objecting to these policies is anti-semitic must also play back to the mental health of the Israeli leardership. No where else in the world would one of the strongest State military forces get away with shooting civilians in a “Barrel”. Gaza.

#122

So what else is new. Israel has been committing genocide and war crimes from its inception with our money via a Zionist crooks in Wall Street.
Very few crooks discovered so far. Bernard Madoff is tip of the iceberg. Check the tax returns of tax-exempt organizations shoveling your money to Israel to see the magnatitue of the problem. Israel and Zionism is a disgrace to humanity, especially to well meaning and law abiding Jews.

#121

Persons on both sides are guilty of war crimes, and need to be held accountable.
This question is not asking who is responsible for the situation regarding refugees from Israel. Lets keep our focus on the matter at hand. How do we handle individuals involved, who target innocent civilians? If their “nation states” condone, or ignore their actions, the U.N. is able to, and should take action against these individuals. It has done so in the past, and though the impact of these actions may seem ineffectual, they need to be taken.

#120

Remember watch the interviews of Salam Fayyad and Vali Nasr in:

http://www.charlierose.com

#119

Salam Fayyad has improved the security and economy of the West Bank. New investments and businesses are opening in the area. The economy is projected to grow by at outstanding 7% this year. The Palestinians in the West Bank have all of their attention in creating businesses and jobs. This is the real road to peace and prosperity.

#118

I lived and worked in the middle east during the 70’s. All I saw was law and order from the Israelis and lawlessness and terrorism from the Palestinians. Palestinians always choose the evil and blame. The Arabs want world domination for Islam and they can’t stand the fact that the Jews returned to their homeland. I have been through several Islamic terrorist attacks in the Middle East and no Israeli attacks. The Israelis are surrounded by Arabs who want nothing more than the destruction of Christianity and Judaism. They believe that the Messiah for them will not come until the world is conquered it is back to the old Islamic conquests by sword and violence. These radical Muslims may be a large minority but many others support them politically, emotionally and financially.

#117

The Israeli were all in favor of Nuremburg trials. What makes them so different?

#116

Why should Israel or Palestine admit to anything until the US admits to their war crimes? We’re “the hegemon”, we’re supposed to be the exemplar.

“We must establish and maintain space superiority.”
-General Lance W. Lord, head of Space Command

Space superiority means, “the ability to fight from space, through space and in space.”
-Mr. TIM WEINER (The New York Times)

“Now if the argument is whether or not the United States should be the hegemon is on the table, well, that’s a different argument. The fact is, the United States is the hegemon, and putting weapons in space will extend that period of hegemony into the foreseeable future.”

“A hegemonic power, a strong power, willing to use its police capacity–and this is a police force, a space cop type of idea–can make the global heavens an exploitable resource for all, whereas right now there is no guarantee even that if a corporation or a nation should go into space and find wealth there that it could keep it or have a reasonable share of keeping it.”

-Everett Dolman, professor at the Air Force School of Advanced Air and Space Studies at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama]

“Don’t let anyone make you think that God chose America as his divine messianic force, to be a sort of policeman of the whole world.”
-Rev. & Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

#115

Why should Israel or Palestine admit to anything until the US admits to their war crimes? We’re “the hegemon”, we’re supposed to be the exemplar.

http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=4666532

“Don’t let anyone make you think that God chose America as his divine messianic force, to be a sort of policeman of the whole world.”
-Rev. & Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

#114

I have been watching the comments here with a great deal of interest. The one thing which is really apparent is that most of those who have commented have no real conception of the HISTORY of this area. So I am here to clear up the misconceptions. First off the term Palastinian did not exist until after WWI when the Brits were given a mandate by the League of Nations to control the area then dubbed as PALASTINE which was inhabited by Arabs and Jews at the time. Hence the term Palastinian was applied to BOTH and is nothing more than a political division by a world body. Those who argue who had what when should learn a little history. Secondly, the so called Arab displaced population mainly arose as a result of the ’48 war in which the Arab population attempted to block the creation of Israel also a creation of the a world body known as the UN. When it was apparent the Israeli’s could not be beaten and there was a ceasefire deadline looming the Arab leaders including the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem a former Nazi sypathizer and collaborator called on the Arabs to flee for their lives. The purpose of this was to clog the roads slowing down the Israeli Army and limiting the territory Israel could obtain prior to the ceasefire. The Israeli’s for their part made it clear those who fled MIGHT NOT BE ALLOWED TO RETURN as in affect they were aiding the enemy. Most of these people fled to Jordan where they lived in CAMPS under horrendous conditions constantly being told they would be returning led by victorious Arab leaders. After several years of creating havoc in Jordan including an attempt to overthrow the King ordered the Jordanian Army to drive them out. The ARABS then fled to mainly Lebanon and Syria once again CAMPS were established and still exist today. The conditions while somewhat improved were and are squalled by western standards. These CAMPS have been maintained primarily by the UN/US/and EU MONEY and still are today. Wealthy Arab States have contributed only a small part of the funds for these CAMPS. These contributions went to the host GOVERNMENTS who were badly in need of foreign currency. Thus, a lot of these funds never got to the refugees but wound up in the pockets of unscrupulous politicians. This continues today in Gaza and the West Bank both. Read any of the reports they talk about this CAMP and that CAMP ETC. During all of the last 61 years these people were promised by their leaders that they would return victorious after the Jews were killed by them. That has been the MANTRA they have existed by and that is what they supported. I find it most interesting that very few of these Arabs have been taken in by their bretheren who surround Israel on all sides and possess the ability to resettle these people easily ending this conflict once and for all. It is obvious why the host States and Hamas have NEVER allowed this because their INCOME would be greatly interdicted. But what about the Saudis/Iraqis/UAE/Kuwaitis/IRAN/and the NORTH African States like Libya etc.. They have NEVER STEPPED UP to resettle and support these people and I submit that there was a REASON. I submit that their is a reason that being for them at least these people would be the hatefilled foot soldiers used to drive the Israelis into the sea. Something they themselves have failed to achieve.

If the UN and Western Nations continue to support these CAMPS there will never be PEACE because the breeding ground and foment for WAR will continue to exist. I could not help but notice that many of the States on the UN Comm that voted are the very States who have created this problem and to this day perpetuate it.

#113

Sunshine is always the best anitseptic.

#112

Yes, the UN should insist that Israel conduct a credible investigation of its recent war crimes in Gaza. And yes, if they don’t, then the matter should go before the International Criminal Court. The Palestinians may also have committed some minor war crimes while being attacked by Israel, but in view of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, it is hard to see a point in studying or prosecuting these alleged crimes.

#111

Palestinian Arabs, if the issue was just about Israel & Palestinian Arabs, why did Arafat attack a hosting country , Jordan in 1970 going to war with Jordan, lasting over a year killing tens of thousands, from there forced to Lebanon , once again Arafat & Palestinian Arabs went to war against the Christian Lebanonese , plugging Lebanon into civil war. If the issue was just about Israel , why did Arafat & Palestinian Arabs forces go to war with Saddam Hussein and invade Kuwait ? Why was Palestinian Arabs, involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, ? One is still on the FBI’s most wanted list for that. Why after obtaining the Gaza strip instead of Nation building did Palestinian Arab Leadership spend millions to conduct war with Israel, shooting thousands of missiles into Israeli communities for years, until was forced to put a stop to it ?
Why does Palestinian Arab Leadership play the game of,” it’s not us, “ it’s those Palestinian Arabs that are attacking Israel, but we support their attacks ?
Since 1948 and up to this day Palestinian Arab – leadership has refused a two state solution , refused to make peace with Israel, why ?
The US tax payer has given hundreds of millions of dollars to help the Palestinian Arabs, most of it enriches a few (the late Arafat wife is the riches widow in the world) and most the money is wasted .
Why ?

#110

A friend told me once Jews believe they are superior to the rest of the humanity. when I read these comments Most who talk in favor of Israel also talk about killing all Palestinian, as if they are less than human. No remorse. Who is the real terrorist?

#109

To brother gol,
After the Holocaust, we said “Never Again”. As the chosen people of God, we meant it for all humanity not just for Jews.
This was one of the guiding principals for a Jewish homeland after WW II.
For a small population, we have contributed so much to humanity. The Palestinians are the closest relatives/neighbors we have. We should not let them suffer as such.

#108

gol Says:

God gave us Israel. God is on Israel’s side. We appreciate the friendship but do not need the U.S.
Next time, which will be soon, we won’t leave any one of the Palestinians alive. The true Palestinian promised land is under the Mediterranean somewhere.

I am sure there are many in Israel with views like gol. Is it any wonder the Palestinians want the destruction of the Jewish state? It is not a threat to the Middle East, but the to the world at large.

#107

Not only have the Zionists managed to tarnish the image of the United States of America but they are destroying the image of our Lord creator too.

#106

Looks like this whole Goldstone’s Report should be all about God, the main and the original culprit in all this!

#105

God gave us Israel. God is on Israel’s side. We appreciate the friendship but do not need the U.S.
Next time, which will be soon, we won’t leave any one of the Palestinians alive. The true Palestinian promised land is under the Mediterranean somewhere.

#104

I cannot believe that God gives land to one people, only. God gives land to all humanity. It is our human responsibility to live together on that land in a moral and just way. This does not include the very clear “language” that Isreal has spoken to get the Arabs; “GET OUT!”. Jerusalem does not belong to the Isrealis. If my home and land were taken by a self-righteous person who claimed it was given them by some other power than that which I lived by and recognized, you can bet I would fight with any means at my disposal to take back my land and my home. It is truly shameful the way certain people feel their terror is justified but the same cruelty they receive is not. Every unjust action has a reaction. I feel America shares the blame for supporting such a terrible regime in Isreal. I hope President Obama will remove American support for Isreal and the Isreali occupation. This is the only just action and the sole means for America to diffuse terrorism. And I hope the War Crimes Tribunal tries the Isrealis in power for their atrocities against other humans. Peace.

#103

NAZI atrocities against Jews in Europe 70 years ago do not justify israeli atrocties against Palestinians in Palestine today. ZIONISM is waging a genocidal war against Palestinians in Palestine for the purpose of stealing their lands and WATER.

#102

Down Eros! Up Mars!
Down with Palestine! Up Israel!

#101

And the purpose for having war trials would be what? Israel has no intention of being reasonable and respectful on the whole issue of a Palestinian State, and the Palestinians have no intentions on giving up the idea of having a real state and in their extreme frustration from time to time the latter vent that want by any means necessary. War trials here are trivial pursuits because Israel will never concede anything but a racist peon existence for their opposition and will continue to slaughter at rates of ten to one and still profess to be the victim. Israel has been more of a rouge state than any other since the 80s, Iran, Iraq, and North Korean not with standing, not once has it been put to task for that record so what’s different now. Hamas attacked it’s oppressor, that doesn’t make it right, but it doesn’t justify attempting to exterminate them either. Nor does it make sense to claim there was a war when the factions engaged were so disproportionate.

#100

Israel is unquestionably guilty of war crimes in the Gaza invasion, and must face prosecution in accordance with international law. And it is not the first time Israel has been guilty of war crimes. In its own region, of course.

But also for decades the government of Israel has pursued policies such as supplying technology to a Guatemalan regime which it knew used the technology to track and commit genocide against indigenous peoples, and a wide-ranging alliance with the apartheid government of South Africa–whose stance needs no further description. That alliance covered weapons and defense technology which South Africa used to enforce apartheid (to put it less graphically), and Israel used against the Arabs and Palestinians.

It is time to bring this pariah nation to account for its crimes.

And as a US citizen I have no hesitation in saying that the same should be done with the US government, to the extent it is complicit in Israel’s war crimes. International justice must be even-handed.

#99

Israel should most definitely be prosecuted for what the rogue state did to Gaza this past December/January as US support for such brutal oppression of the Palestinians was the primary motivation for the tragic attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993 and on 9/11 as well (look up ‘Israel as a terrorist’s motivation’ in the index of James Bamford’s… Read More ‘A Pretext for War’ book and take a look at the comments section at the bottom of the following URL if interested further):

UNHRC endorses Goldstone report, angers Israel:

http://america-hijacked.com/2009/10/16/unhrc-endorses-goldstone-report-angers-israel/

#98

Economic conditions are the true source of the problem.

Unemployed Below Poverty GDP/Person Population
dollars

Gaza 40% 80% $2,000. 0.8 million

West Bank 20% 40% $2,000. 1.5 million

Israel 10% 20% $24,000. 7.0 million

#97

Salam Fayyad is Prime Minister of the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.

Vali Nasr is a Professor of Middle Eastern Studies and has a book: ‘Forces of Fortune’ covering ways to improve the economic conditions of the Arab people.

#96

The true avenues to peace are the works of Salam Fayyad and Vali Nasr. see the interviews at http://www.charlierose.com

#95

The true avenues to peace are the works of Salam Fayyad and Vali Nasr.in the following blog:

http://www.charlierose.com/

#94

See the interviews of people working and advising how to improve the lives of the Palestinians and the Arabs in general:

Salam Fayyad Prime Minister of the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, and Vali Nasr Professor of Middle East Studies with his new book Forces of Fortune.

http://www.charlierose.com/

This is the right avenue to peace.

#93

Jews were given the land of Israel by God long before any of us were born. It was called Palestine only because Roman empire wanted to humiliate the Jews by calling it that, not because the land ever belonged to Palestinians. Arab countries have plenty of spaces for Palestinians. They need to go over there to live and leave Israel alone.

#92

Hamas (and the Palestinian Peoples) are behaving in the manner of hostis humani generis, enemies of all mankind. No state, no uniforms, using human shields, hiding among civilians, attacking non-combatants, and the civilians are harboring them. Hamas, and the Palestinians, must acept responsibility for their actions. The Goldstone Commission Report via the U.N. Human Rights Council is an anti-Semitic diatribe which ignores International Law and is worth less than the paper it is written on.

#91

Israel showed great restraint in confronting a difficult situation. Hamas needs to be eliminated completely. Hamas terrorism has been allowed to go on unchallenged for far to long, and that is to Israel’s detriment. If Israel was more pro-active in eliminating this horrible threat, things would be much better. It is to everyone’s best interest to eliminate these terrorists and those who support and harbor them.

#90

Every nation which begins a war without a much more serious “attack” than the number of individuals killed in our inner cities every month is guilty of aggression and its leaders should be tried by the Human Rights Court. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the worst violator has been Israel with attacks on Lebanon, Palestine and Syria, all in a period of three years. But the U.S. also committed aggression by attacking Iraq. The U.S. votes and vetoes defending Israel are enough to make it an accomplice to Israeli murders, regardless of which president has done so. There are other violators, but these are the worst since long before Gorbachev. We need a president with the vision of Wilson in advocating self-determination and a world court to resolve injustices, as well as an Eisenhower with the courage to hold all nations to the same standards of right and wrong. You cannot equate an aggressor with a victim, especially when the ratio of civilians killed is 300:1. It was counterproductive and unwise to fire primitive rockets on Israeli soil. But the authorities in the Gaza Strip, who won free, fair, democratic elections for all of Palestine at least have a defensible explanation for acts of desperation, which is a mitigating factor in anhy trial. I have never heard of any American other than a Jewish or Christian Zionist, and officials who cater to the AIPAC or CUFI quislings, who believes that Israeli actions are defensible. But I have contact with groups of moderate Jewish Zionists who support a Jewish homeland on Palestinian land but nevertheless are critical of Israeli brutality, aggression and land seizures. Yitshak Rabin was the only Israeli leader who sought a just solution to the disputes between Israel and Palestine. For that, he was murdered and his killer has been kept incognito, so as to stifle any investigation as to whether he was a loner, acted in response to powerful critics of this one and only Israeli peace-seeker, or whether there were active collaborators rather than merely incendiary critics.

#89

Israel attacked the Palestinians to defend from the constant fire of rockets their civilians endure. Israel fights terrorists while Hamas targets civilians with suicide bombs and rockets. The occupation ended with a full Israeli withdrawl from Gaza. Hamas does not want peace, they will not rest until the Jews are driven to the sea. They said this themselves. If the Israelis stopped fighting there would be no Israel. If the Palestinians stopped fighting their would be peace.

#88

Responding to #83: This sounds like justifying the shooting of a 3rd grader by a bully after the bully takes the victim’s lunch money, resulting in the victim punching the bully (so it’s OK to shoot the victim as the bully “Defends themself”). By your logic, the Palestinians have the right to protect themselves from Isrealis also. Isrealis took land from the Palestinians. Seems the underlying first strike – or inherent unfairness – that exists when Isreal attacks with rockets and Palestine responds with a home-made bomb is being lost. Isrealis may believe they are the “chosen” people, but I don’t believe that means Isreal can invade, land-grab and suppress the Palestinian people who fight to keep their homes with the very lame “we’re protecting ourselves” response. To be fair, either party could stop the cycle of violence, but has instead kept the fight going with each retaliation. Still, I fault Isreal more; both because of the Isreali occupation and the Isrealis’ excessive use of force. When you have more power and resources, as the Isrealis do in this fight, you don’t need to be so heavy-handed. You have a responsibility to work with the weaker party to reach a peaceful outcome that respects BOTH parties needs. Isrealis are not the “chosen people” at the expense of other people who live in this region. Shame on Isreal.

#87

Israel at a 100 to 1 Kill ratio! This is evident, that Israel Used Excessively “US made Munitions” to Kill Innocent Palestinians in the Gaza Ghetto!

Of all the Hammas Rockets fired, Not One Israeli, was Killed.

Israel, considers all Palestinian land, up for Taking, with the Blessing of the God Fearing United States of America.

God and the United States’ Munitions, will clear Gaza and the West Bank, of any Palestinian, seeking to Live in and on their LANDS!

#86

Israel is an illegal country. It was founded by gangs that stole land from its owners by force of terror. The same gangs that were declared terrorists by the British. It’s amazing how this simple fact is glossed over when in fact it is the core problem over there. The Palestinian people have every right to liberate their country and take it back. Might does not make right except in the jungle.

#85

10/17/2009
It is good that I can speak out about this conflict. The Arabs do not understand plain language. Their language is plain violence. Israel has the right to defend itself and its citizens. Arabs always provoke the situation and keep crying for help and justice but forget they are the first to blame. No, Israel should not be judged for its defensive acts. When the Palestinians are going to return the soldier taken in hostage years ago? Israel had returned live prisoners at different times and did not get even a single prisoner alive. Only a video tape of the young hostage. What a terrible price to pay to see him on a screen!
Yes the Palestinians should be judged for their criminal acts.
Sarina Eliyakim

#84

The Palestinians-terorists fired rokets onto more than a million Israelis – day and night for 8 years. The Palestinians-terorists targeted school buses, schools and hospitals to kill as many Israeli children as possible. However, Israel did nothing for 8 years. Only after 8 years Israel decided to defend itself. As opposed to the Palestinian terrorism, the Israeli army phoned Palestians and spread millions of flyers from the air to urge them to flee. Who needs to be tried for war crimes???? The Palestinian terrorists or the Israeli victims?

#83

Both parties should be referred to the International Criminal Court to be tried as publicly as possible. The siege of Gaza and the gross violation of Palestinian human rights continues unabated just as if the crimes never happened. (and ignored by US media, I might add)

#82

Israel is only defending itself and is doing nothing more, and probably much less, than the USA, Russia or China etc., would do if any one of them were under constant attack by neighboring countries or of being threatened with total destruction as Iran has repeatedly done. And in the attempts to reach agreement between the Israeli’s and Palestinians, Israel has made many concessions while the Palestinians have kept not one of the concessions to which they have agreed. When there is war innocent people will be killed as the US has learned again in Iraq and Pakistan. In this situation the Palestinian radicals, Hamas, etc., are the problem as the terrorists in Iraq, Pakistan, etc., are to the US and other parts of the world. Israel is being bullied by the US and the UN and they are either blind to what is really going on or have a hidden agenda.

#81

Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005 in the hope that teh Palestinians living there would create a peaceful and prosperous society. Instead, the Palestinians chose to fire thousands of rockets at southern Israel, including the Israeli power station that supplies Gaza with 80% of its electricity! Israel deserve the world’s appreciation for its forebearance in waiting over 3 years before reacting to Hamas terror. Israel’s actions in attempting to prevent civilian casualties were exemplary, and should be praised rather than condemned. It is the tragedy of war that civilians suffer, even more so when they are being used as human shields by a terrorist regime like Hamas. Islamic terror is the Nazism of today, and as with the Nazis, the spineless world pretends it is not a threat as long as it targets Jews first. The Goldstone Report is more than a travesty, it is a document of surrender to terrorism.

#80

I’m relieved to have a forum…while the Israeli default position of vigorous aggression to prevent their destruction is understandable from a historical standpoint, but each escalation or outrageous act against an essentially unarmed population further undermines their security, makes their western allies look hypocritical and furthers Islamic cynacism, anger and hatred. I cannot understand how a people nearly wiped from the globe due to hatred, in a nation constituted by an International body in response to that, can ever justify the degree of violence and aggression they direct at the Palestinians. The suicide bombers developed as an only means of response to that disproportionate violence are now a standard weapon in the terror arsenal used in many places. (and yes, they existed before the Second Intifada, but they’ve been honed to a cult of martyrdom)The disparity in death tolls between the Israelis (with rocket/missile detection and alarm systems) and Palestinians has always been shocking, but is always shocking, but this last attack on Gaza was particularly shameful and outrageous. To me, a US citizen, it appeared so patently opportunistic…as if Israel just had to get in parting shots before GW Bush left office and they had to deal with a new, less endlessly-tolerant administration. I had never realized how directly Israel acted in response to the US support or willingness to look the other way. I’m ashamed my country voted against the resolution. It just squandered an opportunity to put some kind of action to the words Obama spoke in Cairo. I find so much of the recent work of the International War crimes court inspirational, and I sincerely hope they take some kind of action against Israel. The body that bore that nation needs to now hold it accountable for its treatment of Palestinians..or it undermines the entire legitimacy of both itself and the spawn.

#79

It’s very intersting that the majority vote on that “Homan Rifgts Commission” report comes from “champions” of Human Rights countries like Saudia Arabia, the Golf States, Libya, Sudan, Cuba etc. who alson financed and supported those NGO organization who fabricated those one sided Anti Israeli tedtimonies

#78

You guys, if you were smart then there would be no war to start with. IN 1947 THERE WAS NO ISRAEL. IT SAID PALESTINE. Then in 1948 it said Israel. So, from 1948 to 2009 these random people came out of no where and started shooting down these random humans to GAIN LAND. No wonder why there would be some people definding the ONLY PART OF ISRAEL WITH FULL PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY. If you think about, Israel has the 4th strongest army in the world. Hamas is containing 4,000 poor militants which have some machine guns and short range rockets which are made in Gaza. Barely 20 Israelis have got injured in Israel,and that is 10 years. On the other hand, in just 20 days Israel killed 1,300 INNOCENT PALESTINIANS. THEN 3000 got injured. 1,500 were women and children. ONLY 1 innocent ISRAELI GOT KILLED IN THIS TIME. Please use logic. WATCH AL JAZEERA ENGLISH.

Thanks!

#77

How many nations are Jewish states? How many nations are Arab states? Even though the Jewish people have the one and only country Israel, the Arabs want to take that away too. Israel and Jewish people has a right to exist in peace.

#76

Let’s face it. Our entire foreign policy aparatus, especially on the Middle East, has been a hostage to the pro Israel lobby and supporters for, at least, four decades. Frankly, supporting Israel has been nothing but a foreign policy liability for the United States. It has been very costly to the American tax payors too.
We have litterally declared war on a billion people in the world on behalf of Israel. Enough is enough. We are unable to do anything about it, unless we have an actionable and transparent campaign finance reform and laws in our country.

#75

Donna,
I enjoyed reading your comment I agree with you. We are in this mess because of Israel I just want to know with all that we do and go through for them what do they do for us? They are quick to call every one terrorist while they have been in war with all their neighbors. They keep crying for Iran’s nuclear activity while they have over 200 nuclear weapons of their own. We got into Iraq because of them and now they are trying to get us into another war with Iran. After the war they still do not allow any thing to enter Gaza. No food, no medicine, not even cement and construction equipment. Gaza is nothing other than a concentration camp where no international help can come in. They are trying to gradually starve and kill Palestinians.

#74

If there’s no convincing case of war crimes, then neither side should worry about defending themselves in an international court of justice. If there’s no prosecution in the face of this substantial evidence, this amounts to a license to break the law, here and elsewhere.

#73

This is simple. As the old saying goes, to know one is to walk a mile in their shoes.

Any action against Israelis and Palestinians should be carried no later than 30 days after 50,000 Israelis and Palestinians swap homes for two months. Kind of like that TV Show, wife swap. Except it will be Haifa for Gaza, and vice versa.

#72

I was not alive when Isreal made their land grab (with US support) so many years ago, but I have been saddened and amazed to see how badly Isreal has behaved with respect to continuing to take land and literally roll over the stone-throwing Palestinians with their (US-provided?) tanks. Why so we (Americans) allow this?!?!? I truly believe American support of Isreal – real or perceived – is why we had a terrorist attack in NYC. I think holding Isreali leaders accountable by trying them for crimes against humanity – and no longer standing by while Isrealis continue to occupy Palestine and keep basic necessities (electric,water) hostage is the only way the US will diffuse Hamas/the Taliban and secure safety for Americans at home and abroad. Oh and we need to get OUT of Iraq and Afganistan as our military actions there seem only to be strengthening terrorists’ cause. It’s time to stop the US support of Isreal (real and perceived) and hold past and present Isreali war criminals accountable.

#71

THE U S WILL NEVER ALLOW ISRAEL, OUR 51ST STATE, TO BE PROSECUTED BY THE UN! WE ALLOW ISRAEL TO SHUT PALESTINE DOWN AFTER WE SPONSORED A REAL DEMOCRATIC ELECTION , BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE AND ISRAEL DID NOT LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC RESULT.
WE DID NOTHING WHEN ISRAEL RAVAGED LEBANON IN RETALIATION OF THE KIDNAPPING OF ONE SOLDIER WHO IS STILL ALIVE. THEY SLAUGTHERED HUNDREDS AND CAUSED MILLIONS IN DAMAGE RATHER THAN NEGOTIATE.
WE ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE NUCLEU BOMB EVEN THOUGH THEY STOLE ALL THE SYTEMS FROM US THRU ESPIONAGE. BILL CLINTON WANTED TO TAKE ISRAEL’S MONEY TO GIVE THE SPY A PARDON BUT INTELLIGENCE HAD TO LEAN ON HIM ON HIS DAY THAT THIS WAS THE MOST SERIOUS RAPE OF OUR MILITARY SECRETS IN HISTORY.
WE FIGHT WARS THERE AND NOT ONLY DOES ISRAEL REFUSE TO ALLOW US TO USE THEIR AIR BASES SO WE HAVE TO BRIBE TURKEY FOR ITS BASES, BUT ISRAEL REFUSES TO ALLOW US TO FLY OVER ITS AIR SPACE. FUNNY, IT HAS NO PROBLEM BEINGF THE BIGGEST RECIPIENT EVEN TODAY OF OUR FOREIGN AID.
SO HOW OR WHY WOULD WE EVER ALLOW ISRAEL TO BE PROSECUTED FOR ANYTHING.

#70

The U.S. suffers from its total support for Israel. We’ve supported them even stronger than we’ve supported our own Government. Both those Israelis and those Palestinians involved in the unjustified killings and maiming should be prosecuted. The Israelis more so. For those in Gaza, I can sense their feeling that, subject to the Israeli blockades, they had nothing left to lose (or with which to fight).

#69

When your method of operation is bombing entire apartment complexes full of civilians because there might be a terrorist or two in them, or when you order your tanks to run over peoples’ homes because you don’t want to drive on roads because they might contain a land mine in them, (both of which the Israeli military reportedly did), then some of those involved should definitely face prosecution. These are the actions and mentality of the old Nazis of WWII – not those of what one would expect a modern Israeli state to be. I don’t think most Israeli citizens know the kind of people that have apparently gotten into their militarys’ leadership. Hamas should possibly face prosecution also, but unlike Israel, they were using the only weapons that were available to them.

#68

Palestinians should face prosecution for war crimes and crime against humanity. Israel has every right to defend herself which she did after many years of Palestinians’ torment. Judge Goldstone needs to be reprimended/fired for being blatantly biased.

#67

Israel has become the worst terrorist nation on earth. They are blatant about it. They are guilty of nothing less than genocide and always claim their atrocities are their ‘right to defend themselves’. It’s time they were held accountable for their savage terrorist acts. The US is complicit by funding them and standing by silently while Israel continues on a crime rampage.

#66

I guess history has a way of judging. The Jewish people ought to know better. I fought for Israel in 1948. I was there. I had a different dream of Israel. I never imagined we could hate so much. What has happened to us?

#64

I’m curious why neither Martin Savidge nor any other MSM did not make mention of the testimoney by Colnel Richard Kemp a decorated Brit Officer to the UN Comm. He spoke on behalf of Israel’s humane attempts to warn people before the attacks on civilian areas necessitated by the Hamas terms of war. UN Watch picked this up apparently. He requested to speak to the Goldstone Comm but they weren’t interested apparently. A video of his remarks is available.

#63

Of course Israel should be prosecuted for what it did to Gaza this past December/January as US support for such brutal oppression of the Palestinians was the primary motivation for the tragic attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993 and on 9/11 as well (look up ‘Israel as a terrorist’s motivation’ in the index of James Bamford’s ‘A Pretext for War’ book and take a look at the comments section at the bottom of the following URL if interested further):

UNHRC endorses Goldstone report, angers Israel:

http://tinyurl.com/yzrbryj

#62

Many westerners believe that Hamas is a terrorist organization. UN report reveals that Israeli government commits even more crimes than Hamas, which means that Israeli government should then be considered as a terrorist organization too.

#61

Of course Israel should be prosecuted for what it did to Gaza this past December/January as US support for such brutal oppression of the Palestinians was the primary motivation for the tragic attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993 and on 9/11 as well (look up ‘Israel as a terrorist’s motivation’ in the index of James Bamford’s ‘A Pretext for War’ book and take a look at the comments section at the bottom of the following URL if interested further):

UNHRC endorses Goldstone report, angers Israel

http://america-hijacked.com/2009/10/16/unhrc-endorses-goldstone-report-angers-israel/

http://tinyurl.com/yzrbryj

#60

Fearing a rocket would soon hit their atomic reactor,Invasion of Gaza was imperative self defense. Hamas did try to blow up their fuel supply over the border while complaining they did not have enough fuel. Teaching the youngest in Gaza to learn from hate tv. “kill the Jews, kill the jews and kill the jews. There was not another choice for self preservation.

#59

Although the Goldstone report helps the world to know what happened in Gaza but I do not agree that it should be an instrument to send anyone on either side to jail. This is because those that will end up in jail are local champion who never saw anything wrong in what they did. It is unfortunate that both sides have their supporters among nations that keep urging them on regardless of what they do. This is one reason why they can not achieve peace. It will be better for them if they can realize that neither one of them can wipe each other out. Not even with the support of US or IRAN. Fighting over a piece of land because it’s considered to be holy is ridiculous. What about the innocent blood shed – are they killed for rituals? There is no land that is holier than ones heart, and any faith that lacks love can never be of help to humanity.
The report in question should serve as a wake-up call to the world. The world should help both sides to find peace. Let those who are thinking of vengeance relieve themselves of negative thoughts. Let leaders who are encouraging hatred come to the full realization of their mistakes. To the ARAB LEADERS recognize Israel, for a peaceful Israel is a blessing to the entire region. Let HAMAS lay down their weapons, seek peace and all shall be well. Come out boldly and denounce violence. Let US recognize HAMAS as political party voted for by the PALESTINIAN people that is what democracy is all about, it is wrong to tag HAMAS as terrorist organization. Though as it is two states solution is the way to go but in future that state boundary will eventually melt down. Let the World show this people love rather than tearing them further apart.

#58

Of course. The Report is factual. If we want justice and peace for ourslves, we must work for justice and peace everywhere we can. Palestine is our responsibility, since the U.S. has helped to finance the oppression and injusice there.

#57

11.16.09
Hamas–and particularly Israel–have clearly committed war crimes in Gaza. The leaders of both should be indicted by the International Criminal Justice Court, and if possible, brought to justice.

#56

For too long we have been supporting Israel through all it’s illegal activities in the name of their national security. They attacked most of their neighbors from Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Gaza, Egypt and… Because of our unconditional support of Israel the rest of the Eastern block has been looking down on us. with all we have been doing for them I just want to know how do we benefit from Israel? P.S. most of us know Iraq war was mostly prompted by Israel who wanted to see it’s long time enemy gone and now they are trying to get us into another war with Iran.

#55

Fred says,
The UN definitely should start conducting war crime trials against the brutal Israeli and Palestinian regimes that needlessly slaughter innocent people and destroy precious property/ infrastructure, all under the guise of self defense- but while refusing/blocking outside help that would end the conflict. Face the truth/facts, the conflict continues because the Israel leaders want to steal more settlement land (now over 400,000 homes) and the Palestinian leaders want to stay in power. Using self- defense as an excuse for perpetual conflicts is a sham! Many nations hate each other and wish their enemies were dead, but they don’t go to war. In addition to the crime trials, the UN needs to timely muster world leader’s support and mandate (via force as necessary, including maintaining a UN military security force at the territories separation barriers) a two state solution on the Israeli/Palestinian leaders to finally end the inhumane over 40 year occupation and middle-east conflict. The crying voices of the innocent Israeli and Palestinian people must finally be heard!

#54

In response to Avi’s remark about “Palestinian Propaganda” I can only agree as we all know just how many Palestinians are in powerful media positions here in the US … right? Right! Get a grip man.

#53

Reading some of the comments one can only be astonished that years of Palestinian propaganda and rewritten history have become facts/ The readers are advised to read “From Time Immemorial” by Joan Peters. They will learn the truth about what happened since the beginning of the 20th century The real conquerer is the Islam. Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Koran. and all the supposed connection of the Palestinians to Jerusalem in fabricated. Moreover. The majority of people who call themselves Palestinians immigrated to this area because of economic opportunities created by Jews who started returning to their homeland after 2000 years. The Goldston report should be investigated and all the fabricated information should be exposed (remember el-Dora). Israel should agree to investigate IDF actions only after the Hamas investigates its actions.

#52

Israel in it’s capacity as a modern wealthy developed Western industrial democracy bears the greatest responsible for the situation in the West Bank and Gaza today. The USA has been shelling out billions each year in foriegn aid to Israel. When our presidents, both Bush and Obama, in recent times have asked Israel to get out of Gaza or stop the building in the West Bank they’ve thumbed their nose at us. Enough already! I think Israel and/or the Palestinians should face prosecution for their actions in the Gaza War?

#51

Adjustment(s) To The Previous Text (#50):

“…to occur in the sometimes turmoiling…”

#50

The Establishment will continue to do what it does.
The Censorship Service (CS) will continue to Censor.
Rockets will fire red glare
and white smoke will, at least:
give an opportunity for a Zen Effect
to occur the sometimes turmoiling
Middle Eastern atmosphere of, otherwise:
possible Calm.

Meanwhile, take up your Torah scrolls,
unroll them just to spite the Worldly Unrest,
remember Anne Frank…
try to relax, and have a hookah
if you should so desire…
while you continue to ponder
Life’s Nights of Impenetrably
semi-Quranic Mysteries
on the spiritual shores of…
Aqaba.

#49

Prosecute both sides; while you’re at it remind Israel they’ve never abided by any UN resolutions, bombed the USS Liberty without consequence, continues to bulldoze Palestinian homes giving people 5 minutes warning, while heavily armed Israeli settlers(Palestinians aren’t allowed a military, or arms) squatting on Palestinian lands fire at farmers during harvest time..of course the argument that the Palestinians shield themselves with civilians is necessary as they aren’t allowed bases. I suppose Israel expects them to stand out in an open field and fire away. Just read the Israeli papers online and you will get a far more balanced view of what goes on over there….it is an apartheid country that won’t annex the “territories” for fear of becoming the minority; and also denys them statehood, as if they could have a vialbe country when it has become so fractured by blatant Isreali landgrabs; hence while Palestinians who have fled past violence aren’t allowed to come back home, any person from around the world who claims to be Jewish, or converts, is welcome to move to Israel. Meanwhile many Israelis don’t understand why the Palestinians don’t just pick up and move out to a neighboring Arab country (not once considering the fact that they are the anomoly, a Eurepean culture in an Arabic landscape), even tho many have lived there for generations. It’s a sad situation and it’s no accident that Israel is never mentioned on our newshows as being the only country that supported our invasion of Iraq. Sharon said shortly after 9/11 “the US should invade Iraq and while they’re at it they should take out Iran and Syria. After all, when a surgeon cuts out cancer in a patient, he doesn’t leave any behind.” Quote isn’t exact but that’s pretty close…check it if you don’t believe me. Read the Jerusalem Post or Ha’aretz, both widely read Israeli papers and both much more accurate than the “news” we hear here….
The Israelis have never allowed UN peacekeepers, or observers, into these areas, even as they proclaim they’ve nothing to hide (Palestinians have requested observers for years; after they IDF laid waste to the West Bank, completely destroyed the infrastructure and were accused of many atrocities, they wouldn’t allow any observers in, with nothing to hide naturally…..common sense would make any thoughtful person suspicious of their continurous barring of observers and other ngo into Gaza or the West Bank. My prayers go to all the people that are subject to the horrible situation there. The US is complicit and should cut off aid and weaponry to Israel, they are the loose canon that threatens to cause a huge problem in the area if they carry out their threats to bomb Iran whether we sanction it or not. God help us all.

#48

If any party fears an investigation it’s likely Israel which has something to hide. It’s sad how people who have suffered so much can turn right around and hurt helpless others and without any remorse. It does not say much for many in Israel and in the US who blindly support such tactics in the name of self-defense.

#47

Yes period. It is an outrage that we support the obstuction of the legal process and our blind cowardly support of Israel. Perhaps the left will gain greater influence in the policy making in Israel which would be the best hope for peace in the Holy Lands. The right is bad for America and Israel. The Security Council is not the correct place for this matter, shamefully due to American complicity via aid, arms, and its veto!

#46

While crimes on both sides should be prosecuted, Israeli overwhelming force should be seen as a continuing premeditated effort at ethnicly cleansing Palestinians from their homeland which occurred before 1948 and continues until today. Unless Israeli leaders are held accountable they will continue to use collective punishment needlessly killing approximately 1,400 Palestinians (as they did in the Gaza invasion), destroying homes, schools, hospitals, factories etc. Is it not criminal to keep the Palestinians imprisoned in Gaza without adequate food and building materials to make their homes habitable?

#45

While crimes on both sides should be prosecuted, Israeli overwhelming force should be seen as a continuing premeditated effort at ethnicly cleansing Palestinians from their homeland which occurred before 1948 and continues until today. Unless Israeli leaders are held accountable they will continue to use collective punishment needlessly killing approximately 1,400 Palestinians (as they did in the Gaza invasion), destroying homes, schools, hospitals, factories etc. Is it not criminal to keep the Palestinians imprisoned in Gaza without adequate food and building materials to make their homes habitable? The great majority of Palestinians have shown amazing restraint under the horrific conditions forced on them by Israeli leaders.

#44

Look at the size of Israel, very small, and Hamas keeps firing missiles at them anywhere they can without any regards to where they may land, Israel wants to be left alone and live in peace, but they never stop the missile attacks, so what do you do? You have to fight for your life. and with all the hostile countrys around Israel and Iran wants to nuke them, Israel has no other choice. IF you lived in Israel and was in charge of defending your people, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

#43

The Israeli colonialist leadership should be tried for genocide. The tin can rockets fired into Israel were a response to the deliberate attempt by Israel to starve the Palestinians into submission. If the Israelis really wanted peace, they would have built their Apartheid Wall along the internationally recognized 1967 boundary. For Israel, the “peace process” is merely a cover for the uninterrupted theft of Palestinian land. Where are the “good Jews?”

#42

Yes, I’d like Israel held accountable for the unnecessary bombing and predatory invasion where they killed civilians and tried to wipe out non-military targets (like chicken farms to feed the population). Israel has become a monster and the U.S. condones their dreadful behavior. Tell Israel to get out of the West Bank and East Jerusalem including removal of all settlements.

#41

I’m sorry but I find the Goldstone Report a compendium of politically correct nonsense. Analyze the situation for a moment. The Hamas leadership had the responsibility to control attacks eminating from within their borders they chose not to. Where does the Report advocate their prosecution for this? It doesn’t. The obvious intent of such actions was to provoke the Israelis into an armed attack the avowed purpose of which was to kill as many IDF troops as possible. The only way the Hamas fighters could do this since they possessed inferior weaponry and technology as well as organization and discipline was to lure the Israelis into urban warfare. That is the only way they could meet their goal. They had NO capability to face the IDF on an open battlefield The Hamas tactics were developed in Iraq. The use of civilians as human shields. The use of supposed neutral facilities as staging and firing points. The whole purpose of these tactics would be to give their people an advantage and allow them to achieve their goal maximization of Israeli casualties. These Fighters and their leadership knew full well the consequences of their actions yet I don’t see a major push to hold them responsible for the carnage Wars are not TEA PARTIES you bring what you have and use it as effectively as possible to win. The choice of the battlefield was made by Hamas. The citizens of Gaza ratafied their leaderships choice when all they had to do was kick them out to prevent this whole thing. Remember that Gaza is PA territory nobody wants to talk about the brutal Hamas takeover of the area nor the attacks on PA supporters just prior to the Israeli attack. I read with interest earlier internet threads about children being killed. On one thread I found a list of 260 names and ages. On this list the majority of those listed would be considered of fighting age by Hamas and thus one could reasonably conclude they were in reality combatants.
Were there crimes of one sort or another by both sides in heat of battle most likely thats why it is called WAR and not TIDDLEYWINKS. As a previous poster indicated if you are going to condemn these parties then an IMMEDIATE investigation should be begun into every modern war and all combatants brought to trial for using similar tactics. This won’t happen though I wonder why?

#40

I have not read the report, but it seems time to bring in outside, as independent as possible, investigators from around the world, who have no direct political axes, to examine the report so that justice can be done. So far it seems that the U.S. has blocked any and every criticism of Israel. The real situation should be brought to light before there are more wars and suffering.

#39

Israel should have been charged with war crimes decades ago. May I remind my fellow americans that Israel was responsible for the premeditated attack on one of our U.S. Navy ships, the USS Liberty. This criminal act took the lives of 36 U.S. sailors. The Johnson administration tried to cover it up.The Israel/Jewish lobby dictates middle east foreign policy here in the U.S.A.

#38

Israel attacked the Palestinians to defend from the constant fire of rockets their civilians endure. Israel fights terrorists while Hamas targets civilians with suicide bombs and rockets. The occupation ended with a full Israeli withdrawl from Gaza. Hamas does not want peace, they will not rest until the Jews are driven to the sea. They said this themselves. If the Israelis stopped fighting there would be no Israel. If the Palestinians stopped fighting their would be peace.

#37

Yes a full review is needed -both sides conducted themselselves as barbarians. The Palestinians shelling the Israelis needs to be investigated and punished and the Israeli actions in Gaza were dispropotinate and shameful . I’d skip a step and go directly to the World Court .

#36

I think they should prosecute Isreal for the the bestial and crimenal carnage they caused and keep causing the owners of the land since 60 years to this day,Justice has to come for the unfortunate palastinan sooner or later and librate their country from the savage invader they has been bearing ,where is the moral of the world when ever it comes to the palastinian ? Why they turn their face the other way ? Maybe because they know it was England and USA. fault in the first place ?

#35

For coment 32 please remove my last name

#34

NO!!! If you want to punish anyone, start the dam war over again!and the world can set back and watch
the start of the third world war, that will probable end with a nuke sent by Adolf from Iran.

#33

No one should be above the law. The only way to slow down war crimes is exposure and prosecution. The way the Palestinians have been treated not only in the war but in daily life is a crime. These crimes cause retaliation which causes retaliation on the other side and the wounds can’t heal and the wars come back. war crimes are driven by hate, prejudice, greed and religion with the perpetrators knowing nothing will be done because of the power that these thugs command. The courts need to be very busy and they need to be for justice for all.

#32

This war came about due to long festering grievances between Israel and Palestinians When outside nations get involved ulterior motives drive their actions. From an outsiders viewpoint we fail to understand all the local issues and tend to rush to judgment. In the case of Israel vs. Hamas, Israel appears to have used a heavy hand but did Hamas set this up by using their population as shields for their rocketry. This was a war and nice thing do not happen in war. They have to mutually find their level of piece. Outside intervention will not help.

#31

This action should be avoided. Proceeding would just give each side ammunition to fuel the flames of blame, politics @ hate in the region & world.

#30

Sufficient evidence of war crimes exists and should be investigated. Those who commit war crimes should be held accountable. The United States Government should join the rest of the world in a call for justice, if AIPAC approves of course.

#29

Israel has been guilty of committing genocide against the Palestinian people, since its early occupation of Gaza. It is a shame that the world has turned a blind eye to these horrors. Israel should face whatever international laws and sanctions to stop the bloodshed.

#28

What country in the world would stand for another country firing rocket explosives into its civilian population? If Cuba had been firing rockets into Florida for months and years wouldn’t the United States be justified in attacking Cuba militarily?

#27

Both sides should be held accountable, especially Israel since they have be more aggressive. My feelings are that the US and the UN have pandered to the ways of the Israeli’s for way too many years and I truly believe our close ties to Israel are largely responsible for the wars in which we are now involved. This situation is only going to get worse the longer we remain as such close allies to Israel.

#26

Of course, Israel and Hamas should be condemned for the gross war crimes that independent agencies have said they committed in the Gaza invasion, including cluster and phosphorous bomb and wanton killing of women and children. Any ethical country is obligated to investigate and punish crimes of its military. Why does Israel cry foul to be required to do what every other Western democracy would do. Hamas does not rule legitimately, so it may be more difficult to bring them to account for their war crimes, but it should be done.

#25

Any war “crimes” Hamas may have coimmitted with their puny rocketss are dwarfed by the enomous and viscious crimes of the the Israeli goverment toward Palestinian civilians, using F-16’s, Apache helicopters and other armaments all paid for by the US taxpayer. This is David against Goliath. Israel has been committing war crimes, unpunished for decades. It is pay-back time. Send the war criminals to the Hague.

#24

I feel that the actions of the invading Israeli army far outweighed the defensive tactics of the Palestinians and they should be prosecuted for War Crimes – firing on civilians, ignoring flags of truce carried by non-combatants and the use of phosphorus and cluster bombs are war crimes for everyone else in the world.

#23

Of course, the US should step aside and let the UN do its job. You cannot create a peaceful world unless war criminals are held to account. It is not acceptable that some human life is more valuable and more protected than others. All life is equally precious. The idea of some lives being more protected than others should have ended in 1945.

#22

The Arab nations have been trying to destroy Isreal since the day it became a nation in 1948, and they have continued to demand its destruction. Hamnas and the Palestinians have are guilty of attacking Israel almost daily for years. Israel has the right to defend itself. It was the Gaza Palestinians who used human shields during this latest conflict. They should be held accountable. Israel was capable of heavier bombardment, but held back from doing so in order to avoid unnecessary casualties, which is the moral thing to do — even in the face of not achieving reasonable military objectives.

#21

BOTH Isarel and Hamas should be held accountable.
The Goldstone Report affords an honest and balanced view of what has been happening and deserves support by the Obama administration.

#20

If rockets from Gaza had not rained down on Israeli civilians for years, there would have been no action taken. The Israelis have a right to defend themselves; when they respond to Palestinian attacks, everyone cries “Foul!”

#19

It is time Americans know the truth about what is going on in Israel/Palestine. After a visit this year, I know the truth. Israel did commit war crimes and should be held accountable for them. As to Hamas, their actions are miniscule compared to the devastation and lives lost in Gaza; nevertheless, any civilian life lost, even in war, is inexcusable.

#18

The U.S. vote against the resolution brings into question as to whether this country is still a moral nation. It is totally hypocritical to overlook war crimes just because they may have been committed by Israel while picking on the other guys. The argument that this will derail the peace talks doesn’t hold water either. The current ultra-nationalist Israeli government will not allow a Palestinian State in what it calls Judea and Samaria no matter what we do, although it would be interesting to see what making U.S. aid to Israel dependent on the creation of a Palestinian State might do.

#17

Palestinians targeted civilians and used their own civilians as human shields and deserve the world’s condemnation. Israel acted in defense of its citizens, as is its right & obligation to its citizens. No other nation is so targeted as is Israel. No other nation would tolerate the constant barraging of its country, especially from so many sources. It is time for the Muslim world to accept the presence of Israel.

#16

Israel is not to blame in this situation, this is UN process would be equivalent to the US having to be subjected to war crimes after the 9/11 bombing. Israel has only defended itself to hostile terrorism. Shame on the UK for being neutral.

#15

Israel has had to fight for its very life for all the time it has been in existence. America would never put up with other nations sending rockets, etc on her soil. Israel should not put up with it either. She has the right to defend itself, must defend itself. While she does her best to prevent civilian deaths, our enemy does its best to hit our hospitals, schools, etc. Israel should be commended on this war, so necessary to stop constant suffering and death in Israel. Hamas, Fatah have only one aim to destroy Israel. As Benjamin Netanyahoo said if the terrorists laid down their guns, there would be peace, if Israel lays down its guns there would be no Israel. We do not deserve condemnation, but help and encouragement.

#14

until the settlement building is stopped and aid to isreal brought to a halt there will continue to be a lopsided battle in the mid-east.

#13

I voted enthusiastically for President Obama, and have been profoundly disappointed that the US, under the Obama administration, continues to apply double standards in excusing Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians. The Security Council should definitely address this situation even-handedly.

#12

Yes. Both sides should be prosecuted. But it should be remembered that for every Israeli that was killed, over 100 Palestinians were killed. To say that they are human shield is to not look clearly at a problem of a territory that is the most densely populated area in the world. I was shocked by the whole event, but what I heard from the man who wrote the report, a Jew by the way, really shocked me. I would hope that the Israelis and the Palestinian militants would see the writing on the wall and realize you can not kill your way out of your problems. I think at this point most of the people who are not politicians or zealots already know this.

#11

It is long past time for the belligerents in the Middle East conflict, including Israel and Palestine, to have their feet held to the fire.

#10

Each group has a right to the whole land snd will be satisfied with nothing less. Two people can co-exist in a single country as witness almost any country on Earth. U.S. support in the original UN mandate and on-going is what is a crime and it should be prosecuted.

#9

Yes, if we continue to treat one side as victims and the other as aggressors, we will continue to undermine the complexity of this difficult conflict. Let both sides be made to answer for their actions and face the fact that, no matter how righteous they consider their respective causes to be, neither is worth the murder of innocents. The UN should force them to find a compromise.

#8

It is time for Israelis to be treated equal to all nations. Enough is enough. A war crime is a war crime. We need the UN to begin sending those Israeli leaders to Jail

#7

Deliberate attacks on civilians should be prosecuted no matter who commits them. It seems that every time public opinion begins to support Israel because of Palestinian atrocities, Israel hurries prevent this by commiting atrocities against Palestine. If it looks like Palestine is gaining support from world opinion, Palestine rushes to prevent this sympathy by launching atrocities against Israel. Is there something in the soil of the Middle East that makes the leaders stupid?

#6

Yes, I think there should be a thorough investigation on both sides because it is difficult to bear the fact that such cruelties and killing of innocent people did happen on both sides. This has to stop and the only way peace will come in that region if a thorough investigation is done and guilty people were brought to justice. Settlers from the West Bank and Gaza strip should vacate the occupied territory and Hammas should stop sendig missles to Israel.

#5

Palestinians targeted civilians and used their own civilians as human shields and deserve the world’s condemnation. Israel acted in defense of its citizens, as is its right & obligation to its citizens.

#4

From what I’ve read from reputable groups like Amnesty International, AFSC and Jewish Voices for Peace about the Gaza invasion, I believe that the Israeli government is responsible for more war crimes and should be prosecuted. The Palestians (ASA- Hamas) must also be held responsible.

#3

Shame on the US and all those who voted against a serious evaluation of war crimes in Gaza. The dead need a serious response by every nation.

#2

If these two face prosecution for war crimes, then the world court must also prosecute NATO, the Taliban, AlQuaeda, Russia, the USA, the Sudan, Chad, Somalia, Zimbabwe, and every other country that has engaged in armed conflict in the past twenty years. Armed conflict, regardless of how it is named, is not a cricket match. It is a deadly fight for survival, where the rules are often ignored.

#1

It is about time the world shakes itself from its numbness and prosecute the Israeli junta for their savagery . Come on now can you really compare cluster bombs and phosphorous acid rain to few Katioshas, besides we have the right to resist and free our land and rid ourselves from this evil that lasted 61 years .

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