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August 26, 2009
U.S., Israel discuss thorny issue of Israeli settlements

The quest for peace in the Middle East has been going on for generations now, and it never seems to get much easier — as was apparent in a seemingly inconclusive meeting in London between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and U.S. Middle East envoy George Mitchell.

The two men — and the nations they represent — have been searching for months for a way to resolve differences over Israeli settlements in the West Bank. The U.S. has been pushing hard for an Israeli settlement freeze, and the Palestinians are refusing to restart peace talks until Israel halts all construction there.

Despite their failure to reach agreement again on Wednesday, the two sides will resume talks in Washington next week.

What do you think it will take to reach a Middle East peace agreement? Tell us what you think in the comments section below.

Daniel Levy, a senior research fellow for the New America Foundation and a former advisor to the Israeli government, joins Martin Savidge to discuss the U.S. and Israeli positions and prospects for a broader Middle East peace deal.

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#136

Just Got Educated: JGE, your blogs indicate that you have been traumatized and abused as a child. My advice do not keep defending killers, liars, tree cutters, apartheid seekers and imposers, racists, and thieves. Once you do that, you will begin feeling much better about yourself and indeed you will feel liberated once and for all.

#135

And for poor DH (DisHonest) your compliments will take you nowhere.

You will be ordered to blow up yourself and kill innocent civilians. Your family will get money (latest quote 25,000. dollars) from Saudi Arabia and Iran. And you will get 500 virgins. All that your heart desires

#134

ANd the end of the leader of islamo fascists Arab/Palestinians:

With the collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero. After the war al-Husseini was indicted by Yugoslavia for war crimes, but escaped prosecution. The Mufti was never tried because the Allies were afraid of the storm in the Arab world if the hero of Arab nationalism was treated as a war criminal.

From Egypt al-Husseini was among the sponsors of the 1948 war against the new State of Israel. Spurned by the Jordanian monarch, who gave the position of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to someone else, Haj Amin al-Husseini arranged King Abdullah’s assassination in 1951, while still living in exile in Egypt. King Tallal followed Abdullah as king of Jordan, and he refused to give permission to Amin al-Husseini to come into Jordanian Jerusalem. After one year, King Tallal was declared incompetent; the new King Hussein also refused to give al-Husseini permission to enter Jerusalem. King Hussein recognized that the former Grand Mufti would only stir up trouble and was a danger to peace in the region.

Haj Amin al-Husseini eventually died in exile in 1974. He never returned to Jerusalem after his 1937 departure. His place as leader of the radical, nationalist Palestinian Arabs was taken by his nephew Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini, better known as Yasser Arafat. In August 2002, Arafat gave an interview in which he referred to “our hero al-Husseini” as a symbol of Palestinian Arab resistance.

And so the hatred of Israel by islamo fascists Arab/Palestinians goes on.

The Muftis and the Imams in the mosques preach to the masses not to think just to hate and be terrorists.

Israel has to defend itself.

Abbas should return the stolen 6 billion dollars from Swiss banks and use them to help the people. Stop being beggars for the Arab/Palestinians and extract more money from the United Nations. Well they want to continue enriching themselves at the expense of their people.

Do not keep the Arab/Palestinians as mushrooms. Keep them in the dark and feed them manure.

#133

More about the leader of the islamo fascists Arab/Palestinians:

In 1929, major Arab riots were instigated against the Jews of Palestine. They began when al-Husseini falsely accused Jews of defiling and endangering local mosques, including al-Aqsa. The call went out to the Arab masses: “Izbah Al-Yahud!” — “Slaughter the Jews!” After the killing of Jews in Hebron, the Mufti disseminated photographs of slaughtered Jews with the claim that the dead were Arabs killed by Jews.

In April, 1936 six prominent Arab leaders formed the Arab Higher Committee, with the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini as head of the organization, joining forces to protest British support of Zionist progress in Palestine. In the same month, riots broke out in Jaffa commencing a three-year period of violence and civil strife in Palestine that is known as the Arab Revolt. The Arab Higher Committee led the campaign of terrorism against Jewish and British targets.

Using the turmoil of the Arab Revolt as cover, al-Husseini consolidated his control over the Palestinian Arabs with a campaign of murder against Jews and non-compliant Arabs, the recruitment of armed militias, and the raising of funds from around the Muslim world using anti-Jewish propaganda. In 1937 the Grand Mufti expressed his solidarity with Germany, asking the Nazi Third Reich to oppose establishment of a Jewish state, stop Jewish immigration to Palestine, and provide arms to the Arab population. Following an assassination attempt on the British Inspector-General of the Palestine Police Force and the murder by Arab extremists of Jews and moderate Arabs, the Arab Higher Committee was declared illegal by the British. The Grand Mufti lost his office of President of the Supreme muslim Council, his membership on the Waqf committee, and was forced into exile in Syria in 1937. The British deported the Arab mayor of Jerusalem along with other members of the Arab Higher Committee.

According to documentation from the Nuremberg and Eichmann trials, the Nazi Germany SS helped finance al-Husseini’s efforts in the 1936-39 revolt in Palestine. Adolf Eichmann actually visited Palestine and met with al-Husseini at that time and subsequently maintained regular contact with him later in Berlin.

In 1940, al-Husseini requested the Axis powers to acknowledge the Arab right:

… to settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along the lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy.
While in Baghdad, Syria al-Husseini aided the pro-Nazi revolt of 1941. He then spent the rest of World War II as Hitler’s special guest in Berlin, advocating the extermination of Jews in radio broadcasts back to the Middle East and recruiting Balkan Muslims for infamous SS “mountain divisions” that tried to wipe out Jewish communities throughout the region.

At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann’s deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:

The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. … He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.
With the collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero. After the war al-Husseini was indicted by Yugoslavia for war crimes, but escaped prosecution. The Mufti was never tried because the Allies were afraid of the storm in the Arab world if the hero of Arab nationalism was treated as a war criminal.

From Egypt al-Husseini was among the sponsors of the 1948 war against the new State of Israel. Spurned by the Jordanian monarch, who gave the position of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to someone else, Haj Amin al-Husseini arranged King Abdullah’s assassination in 1951, while still living in exile in Egypt. King Tallal followed Abdullah as king of Jordan, and he refused to give permission to Amin al-Husseini to come into Jordanian Jerusalem. After one year, King Tallal was declared incompetent; the new King Hussein also refused to give al-Husseini permission to enter Jerusalem. King Hussein recognized that the former Grand Mufti would only stir up trouble and was a danger to peace in the region.

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Elderly Jerusalem couple get 9 months in jail for child abuse

By Haaretz Service

Just Got Educated: JGE, any realtions to this family? they sounded as if they were your parents

The Jerusalem Magistrate’s Court on Sunday sentenced an elderly couple to nine months in prison, after they were convicted of abusing children in the kindergarten they managed in the city’s Gilo neighborhood.

The couple’s attorneys intend to appeal the ruling due to their clients’ old age.

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he abuse scandal was exposed two years ago by an assistant in the kindergarten, who claimed she noticed the teacher and her husband hitting the children, screaming at them and force-feeding them.

The assistant filed a complaint with police and also had an investigative reporter from the Channel 2 show “Kolbotek” replace her at work for several days, during which the investigator documented acts of abuse.

The police arrested the couple after further testimony, including a claim that the couple used a large dog to threaten the children, was brought by investigators.

During a hearing, police said the female teacher partially acknowledged the charges against her. However, she claimed that she didn?t hit the children, but rather caressed them.

The woman’s husband denied the charges and claimed nothing of the kind ever happened.

#131

Just Got Educated: JGE, signs of more desperation. I feel sorry for you and for the Israeli Foreign ministry that have hired you. As Always when I adopt you, I will teach you never to kill or defend killers, never lie, never cut trees, never defend occupiers or apartheid , say the truth regardless. Waiting for your next desperate blog, this time should 10 billion 6 is way too small for the Israeli spy Abbas

#130

More about the father of the islamo fascists Arab/Palestinians:

Who was the Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini?

Grand Mufti with Hitler

Muhammed Amin al-Husseini [many spelling variations] was born in 1893 (or 1895), the son of the Mufti of Jerusalem and member of an esteemed, aristocratic family. The Husseinis were one of the richest and most powerful of all the rivalling clans in the Ottoman province known as the Judaean part of Palestine.

Amin al-Husseini studied religious law at al-Azhar University, Cairo, and attended the Istanbul School of Administration. In 1913 he went to Mecca on a pilgrimage, earning the honorary title of “Haj”. He voluntarily joined the Ottoman Turkish army in World War I but returned to Jerusalem in 1917 and expediently switched sides to aid the victorious British. He acquired the reputation as a violent, fanatical anti-Zionist zealot and was jailed by the British for instigating a 1920 Arab attack against Jews who were praying at the Western Wall.

These are excerpts from:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

Israel has to defend itself from islamo fascists Arab/Palestinians.

#129

This is the background of the islamo fascist Arab/Palestinians

The first Palestine High Commissioner. Sir Herbert Samuel arrived in Palestine on July 1, 1920. He was a weak administrator who was too ready to compromise and appease the extremist, nationalistic Arab minority led by Haj Amin al-Husseini. When the existing Arab Mufti of Jerusalem (religious leader) died in 1921, Samuels was influenced by anti-Zionist British officials on his staff. He pardoned al-Husseini and, in January 1922, appointed him as the new Mufti, and even invented a new title of Grand Mufti. He was simultaneously made President of a newly created Supreme Muslim Council. Al-Husseini thereby became the religious and political leader of the Arabs.
The appointment of the young al-Husseini as Mufti was a seminal event. Prior to his rise to power, there were active Arab factions supporting cooperative development of Palestine involving Arabs and Jews. But al-Husseini would have none of that; he was devoted to driving Jews out of Palestine, without compromise, even if it set back the Arabs 1000 years.

Haj Amin al-Husseini eventually died in exile in 1974. He never returned to Jerusalem after his 1937 departure. His place as leader of the radical, nationalist Palestinian Arabs was taken by his nephew Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini, better known as Yasser Arafat. In August 2002, Arafat gave an interview in which he referred to “our hero al-Husseini” as a symbol of Palestinian Arab resistance.

Read the rest in the folowing:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

#128

We have had the islamo fascists always here, that’s why Israel has to defend itself:

In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.

The Mufti sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East. One called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore, “they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries.”1

In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Nazi dictator rebuffed the Mufti’s requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs, however, telling him the time was not right. The Mufti offered Hitler his “thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches….The Arabs were Germany’s natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely….the Jews.

Nothing has changed. Israel has to defend itself.

#127

Tutu talking::

Indeed any perception of quiet in Gaza ended hours after Tutu sat down with Ma’an. A Hamas-affiliated militant died overnight Thursday, just before three more Palestinians were killed when a tunnel used for smuggling blockaded goods collapsed.

But in the West Bank and inside Israel, the Elders lauded what they called a youthful optimism on both sides. Tutu said spending time with young Palestinians and Israelis, at Mandela’s urging, left everyone impressed. “More than just being impressed. It moved you.”

“We are just, in a way, awestruck by the quality of these young people,” he said. “They’re committed to peace, and they are smart! They really are very able and some of their insights are quite startling.”

DH (DisHonest) you are going to loose your job as a distorted of the truth.
You will be ordered to blow up yourself in the middle of civilians. Your family will get money, and you will be promised 500 virgins. Anything you desire.

#126

What olive trees in Nablus?

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=223669

Get the six billion dollars back from Abbas that are in Swiss banks. And help your people.

#125

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Nablus – Ma’an – Local Refugee Camp Committees in Nablus announced a fresh wave of protests against UNRWA for an alleged failure to expand services, a spokesperson said Saturday.

The protests are set to start Tuesday, said committee coordinator Ibrahim Saqr. “We tried several times to settle the problem through meetings with UN officials; the Palestinian Prime Minister and the governor of Nablus also tried to mediate. They all tried to convince UNRWA to stop reductions in refugee fund allocations [and services] , but there was no positive response to any of those mediators,” Saqr said in a statement.

In the same regard, coordinator of local refugee camps committees in the West Bank Ahmad Thouqan confirmed that the UN made reductions in all services including health, education, and social welfare services.

Both Thouqan confirmed the protests would start Tuesday.

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#124

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Nablus refugees to protest UN reduction of services
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Nablus – Ma’an – Local Refugee Camp Committees in Nablus announced a fresh wave of protests against UNRWA for an
alleged failure to expand services, a spokesperson said Saturday.
The protests are set to start Tuesday, said committee coordinator Ibrahim Saqr. “We tried several times to settle the
problem through meetings with UN officials; the Palestinian Prime Minister and the governor of Nablus also tried to
mediate. They all tried to convince UNRWA to stop reductions in refugee fund allocations [and services] , but there was
no positive response to any of those mediators,” Saqr said in a statement.
In the same regard, coordinator of local refugee camps committees in the West Bank Ahmad Thouqan confirmed that
the UN made reductions in all services including health, education, and social welfare services.
Both Thouqan confirmed the protests would start Tuesday.
Source: http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=223669

#122

Just Got Educated: JGE; in every blog you sound more desperate than the one before, the reason is very clear: your insistence on supporting murder, apartheid, stealing, cutting trees (yesterday more than 100 Olive trees in Nablus), occupation, and above all, your wish to punish the Palestinians for the Holocaust and to make them pay for it (as Tutu said in his recent visit to Palestine). In January I said if you have anything against the Germans go and solve it, but leave the Palestinians alone. All Zionists would like to link the question of Palestine to all global problems ( Cold war, Iran, Islam, Al-Qeada and more). The question of Palestine has nothing to do with all that, it has to do with a theft of a land from its original owners and moving colonialists in their place, pure and simple

#121

Boris: I thought the Palestinians never existed. Now you say the Palestinian population was 1.0 million. This is a huge improvement for a racist like you. Remember in 1905 Jews Owned less than 3% of Palestine and now they stole the rest. You narrative about the 1948 is a fiction, that many among you no longer believe in it

#120

David Hoffman Says:

Just Got Educated: JGE, Congratulations, more Jewish ethics and values. Occuaption preeds corruption. This not from the wire, it is a realit and your president is going to jail and Olmert is going to Jail too

Two former ministers begin jail sentences Tuesday

By Jonathan Lis and Yair Ettinger

Tags: Shas, Shlomo Benizri

Two former ministers, Abraham Hirchson (Kadima) and Shlomo Benizri (Shas), are due to begin serving their prison sentences today.

“I told the children to go in the ways of the Torah, that will be my fortitude in this dark place,” Benizri said yesterday after bidding his family farewell.

His supporters intend to accompany him with a convoy of cars from his home in Jerusalem to Ma’asiyahu prison in Ramla.
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Benizri, who was sentenced to four years in prison, will give a short speech before entering the gates at 10 A.M. He was convicted of taking bribes, breach of trust, conspiring to commit a crime and obstruction of justice.

“Every two minutes someone knocks on the door, and since this morning I’ve received hundreds of calls from people who are hurting over the injustice done to me,” Benizri told Haaretz.

On Sunday he visited Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, Shas’ spiritual mentor, who “cried like a little boy,” according to Benizri.

Benizri will serve his entire term in the prison’s religious division, as former minister Aryeh Deri did during his prison sentence in this facility. He will share a cell with several other prisoners.

At a later stage Benizri is expected to join the prison instructors and give religious lessons to inmates.

Hirchson is expected to report to Hermon Prison near Kfar Mrar in the north by 11 A.M. He is to share a cell with three others. Since Hermon Prison is a rehabilitation facility; he will be spending the next five years and five months with prisoners convicted of drug and violence related crimes and traffic violations.

Hirchson is also likely to give lessons during his sentence.

#119

To David Hoffman: Next day Armies of 5 Arab countries attack in order to DO extermination (I am sure, you’ll say that Jews attack not Arabs)and the only reason they could not massacre Jews, was that Jews able to defend them self and won that war. Arabs try to do that in 1967 and 1972, with the same result. Let’s do the math France population in 1948 was 40 mil, in 2008 was 63.7mil. Gross 63.7/40=1.6 time. Palestinian population in 1948 was 1.0 mil, in 2008 5.2 mil. Gross 5.2/1.0=5.2 times! The number of Palestinians and Arabs killed since 1948 is 60-80 thousand not a millions, most of them were arm fighters from PLO, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, HAMAS and Hezbollah.

#118

From the Palestinian wire:

Imams all over the Moslem world here and now renounce preaching hate And strongly condemn what is exposed in the following blog:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020472.php

The horrible movie called Fitna.

If this is another Arab fair, tale then it is.

#117

From the Palestinian News Wire:

Palestinian prosecutors have indicted Abbas and other members of the Arafat team for stealing six billion dollars and putting them in Swiss banks. The Palestinian Supreme Court will prosecute.

If this sounds like an Arab fairy tale, it is.

#116

Boris: he may have said that, I do not know. But I look at the results. The ones who committed massacres were/are and have been you. How 4.2 is a shrink. Imagine Hitler never killed 6 million Jews. What will be the number of world Jewerey today. Do the math and you will see that the over all Jewish population around the world shrank in comparsion to French, Americans, and many more. So 4.2 is a shrink if we look at what the real number should have been. If the conflict continues, it you who will enjoy peace and stability

#115

To David Hoffman: In May, 1948, Arab League Secretary, declared on Cairo radio: “This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.”-Who is trying to “follow in Hitler’s path”!!?? How 4.2mill grow can be call “shrink”. You should ask your “history professor” to come up with new term. The Holy Land belongs to Jews and conflict will continue.

#114

Boris: Your wish can only become a reality if Israel caries more ethnic cleansing the way it has ben doing since 1948. So if you follow in Hitler’s path, your population will continue to grow and the Palestinians will continue to shrink. The way the Europeans did to the Jews in the 1900s. The way to end the conflict is easy, end the occupation the humiliation of the natives and let them live on thier land.

#113

The One State solution is the only solution.

#112

David Hoffman: You still don’t get it. It is Israel now, Jewish state and I wish population will grow more than 6 mill. If Arabs will stop attacking us, we can live in peace, but they doing opposite. I don’t know for how long this conflict will continue.

#111

Boris, I look at numbers this way, the Palestinians in 1900 or 1905 were almost 1.5 in historic Palestine (1948,1967) Jews were 23,000. Now Jews are six Million and Palestinians are 4.2 in 1948,1967 territories. Where as the Jewish population increased more 2500% the Arab population by less than 300%. That how I look at it and that is why the world calls it ethnic cleansing. Look at Jerusalem and the West Bank. In 1967 no Zionist Jews, Russians, Americas, you know the colonial ones like you. Now more than 500,000. At whose expense did these people settle? Of course the natives. They took their land and the their water and many of the natives had to run to other countries and immigrate. Many died while seeing their land stolen from them. This is not Propaganda , it is documented by the UN, NGOs, and even some ethical Jewish organizations

#110

To David Hoffman: I can say that A. Sharon “provoke” HAMAs bosses to start rocket campaign, by removing settlements from Gaza in Aug. 2005. Israel was waiting for 3 years, but enough is enough!! You are very good in multiplication and now you count to 2 million Arabs losses. Arab started 3 aggression wars and thousand terror attacks, but didn’t expect retaliation and losses!!??
Palestinian population grows from 1.2mil in 1948 to 5.2mil in 2008, but Arab propaganda calling that grow of 4mil as “Genocide”, “Expelling” and “Murder”?!Good job!!
You are blaming Jews and Israel of causing all troubles over the world, this is very, very old song since Ancient time. Yes, there are criminal among Jews and there are criminals among any other nation or religion. If, you want I’ll post all crimes, I can find on any nation, including Arab.

#109

Boris: if you know all of that, as you claim, why are you playing the game? do not answer and let Aljazeera,CNN, and others out of business. But my theory, is you provok so they answer and then kill and damage very bad. Since 1948, Israel killed or caused the death of more than a million Arabs and Muslims in the Middle East. Look what Israel is doing to Africa and Latine America right now. Every problem in LA is due to a former Israeli military officer and most of the problems in Africa are due to Israel

#108

I guess I’m old enough to have heard the same discussions over the last 40 years. Very little has changed. When it comes to Israel, US Administrations have had very little leverage. This is unlikely to change now – especially in view of Obama’s declining popularity and political influence.

If readers want an eye opener read “The Israel Lobby” by Mearsheimer and Walt. They have been accused of being anti-semitic for their suggestion that US interests have been badly hurt by every Administration’s unqualified support of Israel but, whatever your bias, they do reveal how unlikely it is that the situation will ever change.

Most of us would be better off thinking about problems we can possibly change, given the brevity of life.

#107

To David Hoffman: Its nothing to do with my English, if you denied your own statement; you and yours “every honest historians” are turning history and cause of Israeli-Arab conflict upside down. I was asking you and your comrades: why Palestinians are firering rockets?? They are not so “Stupid Palestinians” as you said; they act by ORDERs from Iran and Syria. Very simple plan: Provoke Israel to respond, put civilians under fire, Al-Jezira, CNN, BBC reporters prepare “honest reports” and start new anti-Israeli propaganda companies. Arabs could not defeat Israel in conventional wars; they switch to moral and political attacks to destroy Israel. Before they started aggressions in 1948, 1967 and 1972 they call them self Armies Great of Arab Worriers, but after they lost, they became “100 millions of innocent civilians”.
I don’t care about politicians and will not cry if they in a prison. I care about regular Jewish people.

#106

Boris; It was a response to you, but not a statement made by me “ you said that Palestinian Soldiers steal and I said when did Palestinian soldiers steal from you” so it was more of a question rather than a fact, but because you do not understand good English you think it was a fact. Another reason why Russians Lost the Cold War, because you do not know what people are saying.
Boris for once in your life stop misrepresenting the truth. I said I condemn Stupid Palestinians who are firing what in reality are fire crackers compared to what the criminal Israeli Army uses against civilians, but because you are racist, you will never condemn that.
You Said “Don’t you think it’s embracing for man, soldier, who chooses to fight to call himself “innocent civilian”?? Boris that what Israel does all the time “ you call settlers and soldiers who are armed to the teeth civilians” As for the name Palestine, every honest historian knows that the Palestinians are a nation that excited before the Israeli nation.

#105

Boris and Just Got Educated: JGE, Congratulations, more Jewish ethics and values. Occuaption preeds corruption

Two former ministers begin jail sentences Tuesday

By Jonathan Lis and Yair Ettinger

Tags: Shas, Shlomo Benizri

Two former ministers, Abraham Hirchson (Kadima) and Shlomo Benizri (Shas), are due to begin serving their prison sentences today.

“I told the children to go in the ways of the Torah, that will be my fortitude in this dark place,” Benizri said yesterday after bidding his family farewell.

His supporters intend to accompany him with a convoy of cars from his home in Jerusalem to Ma’asiyahu prison in Ramla.
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Benizri, who was sentenced to four years in prison, will give a short speech before entering the gates at 10 A.M. He was convicted of taking bribes, breach of trust, conspiring to commit a crime and obstruction of justice.

“Every two minutes someone knocks on the door, and since this morning I’ve received hundreds of calls from people who are hurting over the injustice done to me,” Benizri told Haaretz.

On Sunday he visited Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, Shas’ spiritual mentor, who “cried like a little boy,” according to Benizri.

Benizri will serve his entire term in the prison’s religious division, as former minister Aryeh Deri did during his prison sentence in this facility. He will share a cell with several other prisoners.

At a later stage Benizri is expected to join the prison instructors and give religious lessons to inmates.

Hirchson is expected to report to Hermon Prison near Kfar Mrar in the north by 11 A.M. He is to share a cell with three others. Since Hermon Prison is a rehabilitation facility; he will be spending the next five years and five months with prisoners convicted of drug and violence related crimes and traffic violations.

Hirchson is also likely to give lessons during his sentence.

#104

To David Hoffman: Open W/F report “Right group condemn rockets a fire from Gaza” your blog #18, 08/11/09: “When did Palestinian soldiers steal from Israelis and not get punished?” Remember, now!!
By your “logic” Palestinian “civilians” have full rights to fire rockets, because they are “home made crackers”, but Israeli “aggressor” should send them food, water and electricity in respond?? Smart!!??
Don’t you think it’s embracing for man, soldier, who chooses to fight to call himself “innocent civilian”??
When Arabs conquer Meddle East they call them self the Great worriers and what happen now?
About your history Distortion and Lie: “Palestine was there before Judaism existed, remember the name come from the first people who immigrated to the country from Greece (the philistines)”. First, Jewish lived there before and fight with them a few wars. Second, very imported Arabs DO Not have any Relation to Philistines. Arabs from that area start calling them self Palestinian aprox in 1950-60.
You cry many times that “Russian should be where you belong, but on someone’s land”. It will not help you, we will stay here in Holy Land, we prove that in 1948, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, we are not like this liberal shmack #103 JHoward.

#103

Maybe this is terribly simplistic, and hopefully overly pessimistic, but as an interested observer of the Is/Pal conflict for over 20 yrs, my perceptions of the core issues are now about 180 deg. from the way I saw things in the early ’80’s, when I first became interested based on a new personal association with Israel beginning at that time. My understanding of who the Palestinians were was largely based on news of the beginnings of Israel confronting Nasser and Arab outrage which I learned about in my civics classes in school. Then there were the hijackings and murder of Israeli athletes at the Berlin Olympics, all at the hands of Palestinian terrorists. How could the Israelis be expected to make peace with those who were committed to reversing what the UN had created? After several years of following events in the news, combined with annual trips to Israel, travels throughout the region, meeting Israelis and Palestinians, I became aware of a great disparity in what I was learning first hand and the accounts of those things in our news media. To compress the process of my transformation, and it has taken longer than it should have, not only do I now see Israel as the primary obstacle to peace, I now believe the UN resolution establishing the state of Israel was a mistake which has taken on a life of its own, not unlike the computer model – garbage in, garbage out. Israel will not, on its own, ever enter serious negotiations with Arabs on the subject of a fully sovereign state of Palestine because it rejects in principle anything appoximating such an entity. What Netanyahu means when he mumbles the word “state” is some form of apartheid collection of bantustans. In other words, at the very most, what present and any foreseeable Israeli leadership has in mind is a kind of negotiated surrender.

#102

Boris: I never used the term solider for Palestinians another lie by a Russian immigrant. What you call a rocket is a pipe that hardly ever does any damage or kill. The true rockets are what Israel fires at the Palestinian civilians. I condemn the fire crackers that some stupid Palestinians fire at Israelis. Would you condemn the firing of true missiles by Israel against civilians. You will never do that, because you are a racist. Palestine was there before Judaism existed, remember the name come from the first people who immigrated to the country from Greece (the philistines). As a Russian you should be where you belong, but on someone’s land. Congratulations on Olemert’s indictment, tomorrow will be Lieberman’s turn

#101

To David Hoffman: On your #97: a week ago you sad “Palestinian soldier newer still”, but now again you calling them “civilians under occupation”?? Yesterday, “civilians” fired rockets again, they need more food??
In Soviet Union people did not “grew up with racist mind set”. I think, Islam and Communism have many common ideas. Creation of Israel was not “theft”. There was not in a history country “Palestine”. There was Kingdom of Israel since 3800 B.C.E. until 120 A.C.E. and in 1948 Israel officially was reborn.

#100

To elud, #96: Your furer A. Hitler was trying “to clean the house” in 1933, but unfortunately for you he has to kill himself in 1945. One worse think for you that he was not the first one.

#99

…but if the Truth is
supposed to be setting men and women
everywhere free…
but (because of certain
continuing Negations-Of-Action)
is not…
how much Truth can there be, then:
in that “kind” of Truth
which is, obviously, setting
no man (or woman) free
(from Prior Events, Current Events,
or
from [Potential] Future Events…
[for, surely, Something must occur
within those Issues of Place and Thought
where there is a kind of Conciousness
which remains barely mediated along channels
of “Presenting” imperfectly understood
Matters of Time and Space
with a certain sense
of enough comprehension toward
an Open Dimensionality
that allows many possibilities–
toward understanding toward
an Evolving Knowledge to be offered as a Sacrifice upon the
Altar of any Impending Event–
to occur])?

If there are free men and women
that could be said to have been set free
by the Truth…
have these same men and women,
necessarily, been (previously) influenced
by only a certain Species of Truth
with Something illustrative of
Aristocracy’s Version of Truth about it?
or…
has the Purer Ascertained Truth–
(which, in its Primal Origins, proves itself
to,yet, be what pure
Truth-Which-Is-What-It-Is-By-Its-Own-Nature
should be)
–…been rendered Pure only because
such Truth remains hidden, modestly:
above the Veils of the Realms of Opinions
about What-Is-Truth
and What-Can-Never-Be-Truth…
because What-Is-Not-Pure-Truth
can never immerse itself
into
That-Which-Is-Not-Ascertainably-True-
By-Nature-At-Any-Time
nor can Human Opinion change
What-Has-Been, Is-Now, and Shall-Always-Be
even if Human Perceptions attempt to make
Erasures where there were never any Writings?

#98

Boris, I did not lie, the 1183 if that is an accurate number are civilians, settlers, and soldiers killed. My 300 number is civilians only, but in the Palestinian case all are civilians under occupation. Huge difference, but for a Russian like you who grew up with a racist mind set, you will never under stand the difference. You should know better Boris, Islam and Communism do not exist, but this is another fantasy of you to think that Russians like the Arabs and the Muslims, where in fact Russian was the first country on earth to recognize the theft of Palestine= the creation of Israel in 1948

#97

Stop the thievery of AMERICAN property and healthcare money by the racists of the terror state of Israel,which should include a thorough house cleaning of our zionist infested US government.

us goverment

#96

To David Hoffman on #76: I am not tired to respond on your Lies: 1.183 Israeli killed by Palestinian violence and terror attacks since 2000 and 8.341 wounded, about 80% killed and wounded civilians.
1183 / 300 you Lies 4 times.
You still surprise me with your pure mind set: I am very pleased that Soviet Union lost the Cold war. It’s good for Russian people and rest of the world, but not for Islamic radicals.
No comments from you on W/F reports Aug.24, Apr.22, 2009.

#95

To Smith:Arab regimes are terrorists states not Israel!!

#94

Israel is a terrorist state and USA should not support them

#93

Israel has demonstrated if left to their own initiatives they will continue to subjugate the Palestinians. This will not change until the U.S. changes it’s policy of unequivocal support of Israel … no matter what Israel does. Make it clear to Israel they must answer for any more war crimes perpetrated against the Palestinans. No more blocking United Nations Security Council resolutions simply to protect Israel.

#92

Just Got Educated: JGE; all your writings are a huge lie. A source would help, remember if I adopt you I will teach the following Rule number one, never defend killers. Rule number two never defend thieves. Rule number three, never lie. Rule number four read from more than one source rather than be fed information from blind people.

#91

In one passage:

The absurdity of the government’s scenario was immediately apparent: a tender person, a caring doctor, shot Muslims in cold blood. The government ventured the libel that Dr. Baruch Goldstein, an army doctor, was so mad that he even refused to obey orders of his commanders and declared his only authorities to be RAMBAM and Kahane, and also refused to treat Gentiles. Those lies were perpetuated even though Dr. Goldstein’s commanders denied them immediately. Dr. Goldstein was in fact distinguished for excellence in medical service and had treated many non-Jews.
The Arab crowd lynched Dr. Goldstein after disarming him. The Israeli attorney general refused to prosecute the murderers, most of whom were well known and boasted of the murder. In another case, when a Jew shot an Arab terrorist after disarming him, the Jew was sentenced to a long prison term even though he acted in temporary insanity. As everyone says, Arabs are not treated equally with Jews in the state of Israel. They are treated preferentially.
Immediately after murdering Dr. Goldstein, the Arab mob attempted a large-scale pogrom in Hebron, with nine Jews and a number of Arabs killed in the subsequent clashes. The Hamas-led pogrom was premeditated, prepared long before the incident, as the official warnings indicate. A day before, a Palestinian mob (”worshipers”) rioted in the Maarat Hamachpela, and shortly before the incident they chanted “Slaughter the Jews,” as the Shamgar report concedes.

In the wikipedia:The gravesite has become a pilgrimage site for those with extreme right-wing political views; a plaque near the grave reads “To the holy Baruch Goldstein, who gave his life for the Jewish people, the Torah and the nation of Israel.”[12] In 1996, members of the Labor Party called for the shrine-like landscaped prayer area near the grave to be removed, and Israeli security officials expressed concern that the grave would encourage extremists.[13] In 1999, following passage of a law designed to prohibit monuments to terrorists, and an associated Supreme Court ruling, the Israeli Army bulldozed the shrine and prayer area set up near Goldstein’s grave.

The terrorism, aggression and hatred by Arab/Palestinians obligates Israel to defend itself. More you hate and distort more you bury yourself.

You are so left field that now you say because Israel built the wall, checkpoints and daily capture of terrorists, has practically eliminated the violence against Israeli civilians.

Watch it DH (DisHonest), you will loose your job and your masters will condemn you to blow up yourself and kill Israeli civilians. Well your family will receive money, and you might get the 500 virgins.

#90

Just Got Educated: JGE; You are tired and you have nothing to say. I keep teaching you and, your IQ is so low. You are unable to learn that before you blog, you must be ready. You are desperate, you are repeating yourself. I remember you from January, empty as a barrel

#89

Just Got Educated: JGE; Baruch Goldstein was a settler from Brooklyn who came to steal Palestinian land and water. A true doctor will never kill. How come someone who was trained to save lives, kill. After he killed 30 Palestinian civilians, the Settlers made his grave yard a shrine to visit and take pictures around and many Jewish racists began taking pictures next to his shrine. This a culture of hate, not a culture love or dignity

#88

DH (DisHonest) do not ignore Prof. Nusseibeh in my #35 blog. Israel is a democracy respecting peoples rights, Israeli Arabs (Moslem or Christian) will never live in an Arab/Palestinian state because of their hatred, corruption and religious fanaticism.

The terrorism, aggression and hatred by Arab/Palestinians obligates Israel to defend itself. More you hate and distort more you bury yourself.

You are so left field that now you say because Israel built the wall, checkpoints and daily capture of terrorists, has practically eliminated the violence against Israeli civilians.

Watch it DH (DisHonest), you will loose your job and your masters will condemn you to blow up yourself and kill Israeli civilians. Well your family will receive money, and you might get the 500 virgins.

#87

Just Got Educated: JGE; You started to blog old stuff and lies, you are desperate for new information. Just to correct you, Goldstein was killed by Palestine worshipers in Hebron, and the army was shooting with him against the Palestinians. Go read the report of the Shmager Commission that was appointed to investigate the massacre. You began repeating information we debated in January during the Israeli Massacres of Gaza that you were acting as a cheerleader for. If no new information, I will wait for smarter Zionists to debate me. Why do you continue to use the word hate in your blogs? Is that what you were taught growing up sweaty, I wish I can adopt you to teach some manners and values. Rule number one, never defend killers. Rule number two never defend thieves. Rule number three, never lie. Rule number four read from more than one source rather than be fed information from blind people.

#86

While Israeli youngsters spend summer days crowded around TV screens watching a variety of cartoons and other entertainment programs, in Gaza and the Palestinian Authority, children will be getting quite a different message from some of their TV programming: a message of hatred.

http://www.palwatch.org/

Baruch Goldstein was a Jewish medical doctor living in Hebron, he healed Jews and Arabs alike. Then Arab/ Palestinian terrorists killed a mother and her infant children in cold blood. He lost his mind and took revenge and was killed by Israeli soldiers guarding the Hebron Tomb of the Jewish Patriarchs.

DH (DisHonest) payed by corrupt Palestinian leaders keeps spreading false information. They teach hatred of Israel in their Palestinian schools, Mosques and public gatherings. Israel will defend itself.

#85

Just Got Educated: JGE; it seems to me that none would like to kill civilians more than you because you keep talking about it. It hearts you so much to debate a very well informed individual. I will give you my take on the suicide bombings. They are war crimes. And those who use them must be jailed and face tribunals. At the same time, I believe that Israel was allowing them to take place, so it can convince the West to grab more land a build the apartheid wall. Notice after Israel stole more than 12% of the West Bank we do not see Suicide bombings anymore. According to Hennery Sigman of the Council on Foreign Relations, Sharon and Hamas were working together to achieve that goal. So you may fool some people with this but you will never fool all the people. I am a firm believer that the PEN is way way stronger than Israel’s 300 nuclear heads and 2000 Airplanes and 8000 tanks. You keep killing and I will keep writing. Deal

#84

As for corruption, name one Israeli minister or politician who is not charged with theft or has not been indicted!!!! Oh I forgot former president Katz who rapped many women, or Yitzak Mordochi who raped many women, or Bibi who cheated on his wife and accepted many gifts, or Sharon and hios sons who are serving prison sentence. Or finance minister Stinetz who just entered jail for stealing $10 million. I can publish ten books about Jewish theft and stealing and corruption. If you have any shame and many more like you go clean your house and then look at others. All Palestinian finances are published on the Web by prime minster Fayyad, anyone can look at them. I would love to know the finance that Shas has and that Ovadia Yousef and Shimon Peres steal from the poor people all the time

#83

Just Got educated: JGE: you mean I will be fired at by a trigger happy thug like you, who advocates killing Palestinians on daily basis and who constantly injects the word hatred in his writings because that is what he taught since he was a child. Why are Israeli schools rejecting black students? Because you were taught to love? Why are Haredi women abusing and killing their children? Because they are taught to love? Why a religious man like you killed Rabin? Because you were taught to love? Why Baruch Goldstein killed Palestine worshipers on Feb 25, 1994? Because you are taught to love? Why settlers are killing Palestinians? Because you are taught to love. Why are settlers burning and cutting trees? Because you are taught to love.

#82

I guess DH (DisHonest) is relieved he is being payed by his Arab/Palestinian masters to falsify blogging, instead of his family receiving money after he has blown up Israeli civilians. But he will miss his 500 virgins.

#81

DH (DisHonest) nobody will ask for your brain or your tongue. Keep teaching hatred of Israel by your Palestinian masters. Keep distorting and deceiving since it is an Arab/Palestinian way of living, have you heard of the Middle Eastern market? Your flying rug starts at a price and then you sell it for a bunch of pumpkin seeds.

#80

Do you ever wonder why the Palestinians in 60 years have not advanced?

Well their leaders don’t want people to advance. Corruption is the reason and they use hate, fanatics and propaganda blaming Israel for their ills.

Money given by a variety of countries have been put away in Swiss banks and they live in luxury.

The Palestinian leaders want the conflict with Israel to continue and never be solved.

Palestinian sponsors like Saudi Arabia and the European countries finally realized that game plan and have significantly reduced their contributions. Iran provides arms, not money, since their purpose is religious JIhad (convert non believers by terror).

That is why they hire distorters like DH (DisHonest) to distract and falsify the facts.

Since you are a hired Palestinian propagandist do your job and find the source. Otherwise you will be fired.

#79

Just Got Educated:JGE, according to who, what is your source? Gazas are a life inspite of your killing and because of their reslove, not because of your help. All Human Rights groups disagree with all your Zionist accounts. Some people soon will be asking you for human organs

#78

DH (DisHonest), this is the GDP/Person, gross domestic product per person:

162 Philippines
$ 3,300
2008 est.
163 Kiribati
$ 3,200
2008 est.
164 Mongolia
$ 3,200
2008 est.
165 Gaza Strip
$ 2,900
2008 est.
166 West Bank
$ 2,900
2008 est.
167 Nicaragua
$ 2,900
2008 est.
168 India
$ 2,800
2008 est.
169 Vietnam
$ 2,800
2008 est.

So Gaza has plenty of electricity and books to teach their children hatred of Israel. So your distortions are as always false.

#77

Boris: that is why more than 9000 Palestinians civilians have been killed and less than 300 Israeli civilians have been killed since 2000 only. I am very impresed of how Russian think. Now I know why you lost the Cold War

#76

To David Hoffman: Palestinian suicide attacks are more “effective” than any F-16. “Innocent” Palestinians committed “in self defense” 200 massacres from 2000 to 2006. But in spite of that liberal Israeli government continue to supply Gaza with food, water and electricity.

#75

I hope the world sees what the type of people that the Palestinians are dealing with on daily bases. If they do this to each other, what prevents them from stealing Palestinian organs?????!!!!!

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A haredi protester threw himself under the wheels of idling car and was moderately injured Friday during a protest against the operation of a Jerusalem parking garage on Shabbat, police said.

Police drag haredim from blocking the street during a demonstration against the opening of a parking lot next to Jerusalem’s Old City last week.
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SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World Haredim have converged on the parking garage every week since the Jerusalem municipality decided this summer to allow it to open on Shabbat. The protesters have scuffled with police and some have thrown themselves in front of vehicles to try to prevent them from driving.

Jerusalem police

#74

Just Got Educated: JGE: here is a small sample of Jews killing Palestinians before the grand theft of Palestine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks

#73

Just Got Educated:JGE; do Gazans have electricity to watch TV? or do they Books to study with. Have you left them any hope? have you left them any means of humanity. On top of all of that you lie

#72

Jack Isn’t than what you want? I will not dispute your figures. The Zionist dream has been to populate Israel with Jews and continue the ethnic cleansing of the Arabs. Look Israel is shipping Falashs to Israel to overcome the demographic factor. Stop the propaganda of Jewish refugees from Arab land. It has a Hollywood connotation to it. The conspiracy between the Arab kings and presidents was to allow Jews to leave peacefully to Israel and in return the Americans will protect the kings and the presidents. You got what you wanted more Jews and less Arabs. Jack, I have no problems if Peres goes back to Poland, Boris goes back to Russia, Silvan Shalom goes back to Tunisia, Ovadia Yousef goes back to Iraq, and David Levy goes back to Morocco, Yevt Lieberman goes back to Russia. That where they belong, but not on a stolen land. Just to add to your figures another one in
1900 the number of the Jews in Palestine was 23,000 and the Palestinians 1.2 Million and now Jewish population have increased more than 2000% while Arabs are less than 1.2 millions inside historic Palestine 1948

#71

Boris; Pure and simple, you defend and stand for killing, theft of land, settlements, apartheid, stealing, ethnic cleansing, torture, and racism. I stand for freedom, liberty, and justice

#70

To David Hoffman.

There is an old saying: Liars may figure, but figures don’t lie. So I am not going to write any more words, just present figures:

The number of “Palestinians” in Palestine in 1947:
appx. 1.2 million;
The number of Jews in the Arab countries in 1947:
appx. 1 million;

The number of “Palestinians” in Palestine today:
appx. 5.4 million (another 5.5M outside);

The number of Jews today in Arab countries:
appx. 8,000. About 50,000 in entire Muslim world.

Summary: Since 1947 the number of Palestinians in Palestine has increased by 500%.
Since 1947 the number of Jews in the Arab and Muslim world has decreased by over 95%.

The figures speak for themselves.

#69

To David Hoffman: I gave you 3 examples of your repeated propaganda Lies about Palestinians, they did not link to Iran and Afghanistan:
W/Fucus report Aug. 26 about Palestinian stock market and report in Apr. 22, 2009 about life on so call “occupied territory”, please, tell me are they looks like they massacred by F-16, hungry or oppressed!!
All airports have security checks and millions passengers have to go thru embarrassing procedure (I’ve seen, not in YouTube, that pregnant women was striped), but only Palestinians, who were used terror attack thousand times, are complaining that they “suffering”!!
I know very well how they “suffering”, but you’ll denied any of my facts, that’s why I am waiting for your comments on W/Focus reports.

#68

PMW Bulletins
Jerusalem Post: PMW director discusses Fatah and Hamas hate programming for kids
Aug. 11, 2009

PMW director Itamar Marcus is the main source for Monday’s Jerusalem Post feature about how Hamas and Fatah use popular media, including music videos and TV programs aimed at children, to preach hatred to kids, encourage children to seek death for Allah and deny Israel’s existence. In the article, Tube of Hatred, Marcus talks about how cuddly, appealing characters are used to convey messages of violence and hate.

“Children are very attracted to these characters,” he says. “Kids fall in love with them, and then right in front of their eyes, these characters . . . become shahids (martyrs for Allah), one after another, killed on television by Israel. It creates intense hatred.”

Following is the Jerusalem Post article, with links to the programs and videos mentioned in the article:

Tube of Hatred

Aug. 10, 2009
Aryeh Dean Cohen, THE JERUSALEM POST

While Israeli youngsters spend summer days crowded around TV screens watching a variety of cartoons and other entertainment programs, in Gaza and the Palestinian Authority, children will be getting quite a different message from some of their TV programming: a message of hatred.

http://www.palwatch.org/

#67

Anti-Jewish Violence in Pre-State Palestine/1929 Massacres
August 23, 2009

http://www.camera.org/
Attacks by Arabs against Jews in Israel pre-dates Israeli settlements, pre-dates Israel’s so-called “occupation,” and pre-dates the establishment of the State of Israel. On the 80th anniversary of brutal massacres in Hebron and Safed (Gregorian calendar), CAMERA documents the oft-neglected history of Arab violence in pre-state Palestine.

#66

http://www.camera.org/

#65

Here is how the Palestinians teach hatred of Israel constantly to their children:

http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=1260

The western countries buy oil from the Arabs not in the billions, but trillions of dollars. The money is used to promote Arab/Palestinjian terror and aggression, while their populations remain poor and miserable. Saudi Arabia produces Wahabism (Al Queida). Iran arms Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza.

Of course the graaduates of Palestinian schools hate Israel teaching like Suzan Walash, Son of …J, DH (DisHOnest), and now Marina Gutierrez using Paul’s prejudices will tell you all the distortions available to their vocabulary.

This hate Israel infestation of the Palestinian population by Palestinian leaders, secular and religious, should be reported to Obama, tour Senators and Congressmen.

As long as hatred of Israel is in the Palestinian/Arab psyche there will not be peace. Israel will defend itself.

Read about Arab Massacres of Jews in 1929 long before the State of Israel was created:

http://www.camera.org/

So we have a long way to go before we clean off the hatred of the Arab/Palestinian brains.

#64

M.Wallach, go read and then blog

#63

Boris, Israel is the only terrorist state on earth. None kills civialns with F16 and cry wolf except you all the time. Boris, why do you link the question of Palestine to Iran, Afghanistan, and others. Keep it Palestinian Israeli. This not a Jewish Muslim debate, it is occupation and land theft debate

#62

Jack your comment # 51 summed up the Palestinian tragedy
Your constant lies about he Palestinians are becoming facts in the West, but thank God for the Web that allowed many traumatized Palestinians to enter the debate on equal footing. Many massacres committed by Israel against the Palestinians were never seen on TV, but now the world sees everything live

#61

To David Hoffman: I am giving you just 3 examples of your repeated propaganda Lies:
W/Fucus report Aug. 26 about Palestinian stock market and report in Apr. 22, 2009 about popularity of soap operas in so call “occupied territory”, please, tell me are Palestinians looks like they massacred, hungry or oppressed?? Not at all!!
Avery big airport all over the world have security checks and millions passengers have to go thru embarrassing procedure, most understand that, but only Palestinians who were used terror attack thousand times are complaining that they “suffering”!!
You telling that Muslim respect Jews, as prove you mentioned that one Jew is ambassador.
Report from Afghanistan, Aug 24 show completely opposite: Taliban executed people who voted, because they “dared to vote for Jews”, there is no Jews in Afghanistan!! Radical Islam used same tactics as Nazi: 14 million Jews are the biggest thread to 2 billion Muslims??!!

#60

To #58 who tells me that “The British offered you bigger land in Africa”. My question is whose land were they offering me?

#59

David Hoffman

To Mr. Wallach and Garbuz
This was a debate between a Russian Zionists by the name of Boris and an Iranian, the discussion says it all
Boris, I am very happy to show that you have no arguments whatsoever and you repeat the same points. Israeli Foreign Ministry policy to continue repeating the same lies until they become perception and then perception become political fact. The way Israel was established and the entire Zionist Narrative and how Hollywood helped in shaping it. I will not answer you, because a very smart man a month ago answered your lies
Boris, Nothing from what you wrote is correct. It does not have any evidence to support it. If the Jews were attacked in the Arab world, how come they still live with respect and integrity in their native countries. How come the Bahraini ambassador to the USA is A Jew. Why according to Roger Cohen of the NYtimes the Iranian Jews are very well to do and have no problems where as Palestinians are being massacred by you. Boris, did you see the Border Police You-Tube on Harretz, which abuse the Palestinians very much. Do you why little is heard about Jewish refugees? Because they do not exist!!!! The State of Israel was secretly negotiating with Arab corrupt regimes the immigration of Jews from their countries and that is exactly what happened. By the way you still encourage people to come (immigrate) Why? How come those who come from the UAS and Russia and France are not called refugees? Great games you playing. Are you an immigrant or a refugee. Is Shimon Peres an immigrant, a refugee, or a pioneer Zionist who came from Poland. Why the Jews who left Arab countries as part of a vast conspiracy between Israel and corrupt Arab leaders are refugees, but those who came from Europe are good Jews and pioneer Zionist. I would love to hear your answers to that
As for Iran the government publicly allowed the Jews to immigrate with all their belongings. Look at Moroccan Jews, they do not want to leave, they can, but they do not want. Why? Because they know that Zionism is a huge lie and they have more respect in the Arab world. How Many Russians have been begging on the streets for money? Most of them are Engineers, lawyers, and Doctors. Some of my friends were Christians and immigrated too for a better living, but they returned back after they discovered the Zionist lie. I want to speak in English only, so we remain fair to those who read.

#58

Mr. Wallach says “do people realize that Israel is nine miles wide” so what. What did you steal Palestine to establish your state. The British offered you bigger land in Africa and Latine America. You shaould have accepted that offere

#57

Mr. Wallach: you are not the one who determins what happenes and what did not happen. If your terrorist government has proof against it let us see. But the only proof we saw is going to the old mantra of anti-semetisim

#56

To Mr. M. Wallach;

I fully agree with your whole post, except for one minor error. The Turks never had a province called “Palestine.” The name itself was brought back by the British. Under the Ottoman empire, the territory was divided into a number of different districts (sanjaks) administered from different places. For 400 years of Turkish rule, there was no such place under their rule called “Palestine.” That name was used primarily by Europeans along with “The Holy Land.” You’ll fine “Palestine” on old European maps, but not on Turkish ones.

#55

Do people realize that Israel is nine miles wide. From Kalkilya (Palestinian Authority) to the Israeli coastal town of Netanya is nine miles. Half the country is desert. It mainly jealousy, plain old jealousy of the Jewish accomplishments of making this place into a thriving democratic society, that fuels global antipathy. Ask the one million Arabs who hold full Israeli citizenship: “Which Arab country would you prefer to live in?” There are over twenty to choose from, covering millions of square miles. “None”, would be the answer. They prefer their freedom in nine-mile wide Israel. Their women receive an education. They can drive cars. They have world calss medical care -free. How many Arab countries treat Jews like this? None. The Arabs who fled Israel when the countries around launched wars of anihilation (their term), did so because they fully believed they would return to an empty, Jew-free country. They were let down by their own people. But not by the UN who made sure their “refugee” status is preserved for three new-born generations, lavishly funded to prevent their integrsation into normal life in the countries they are living in, and where most were born. Note: Why is one writer here so concerned that “every Jew” must leave the territories? Why mustn’t they live among Arabs as Jews did in the Turkish province of Palestine for centuries. That writer is careful not to suggest that the modern buildings also be removed.

#54

If no Human in History
created this Earth…
which is placed
Beneath a Canvas
of Stars Above…

That Canvas…
by its Nature being…
a Great Panorama…
which nightly flows
through the Centuries
and reveals…
the Holiest
of All Scriptures
unwritten
in wordless Messages
which have long been placed
far beyond and Above
the corruptions
of Human Reach Below…

If this is so…

Why do Bodies…
of human earth…
endlessly fight
then…
and quarrel
in Unceasing Wars
over what they daily
battle first within
themselves as illusions
of embittered dreams
over which they did
never create even in the first
Primordial Scenario…
how much less in the later verses
of many a Drama…
and Epic…
to come?

Moreover,
If Humans created no Stars…
why do they ignore…
the Ancient Reasonings
behind the Creations
of the Galaxies…
whose distant manifest
Collective Presence
has long signified multitudes…
of enduring Foundations
for all Humanity
and for every
Sane Thought…
of those yet naming
themselves
by the names of Humans
involving the appearances of
the Utmost Awareness
of what is at stake…
and what is deeply involved…
even within the limitations of
our small
(metaphorical)
Intellectual Particles…
of Ages Old Stardust…
called
Days and Nights…
which have been
spiralling
Thoughts-Through-Time
which themselves have been
evolving
through Human History
through
labyrinthine streams of
outbranchings…
from a Thread of Divinity
with an almost
feminine approach
in the manner of
the Way
curling waves of Cosmos
fall down to us
upon Earth
like the drifts
of a woman’s long black hair
when the strands are brushed
by the sultry Winds
to sigh again…
a distant reminder
of our Mortality…
despite the Tragedies
we experience…
in Existence…
in Life…
and
the…
masculinitiy
of Human History’s
Immensity?

#53

Organ harvesting reffered to by Ed Johnson never happened. That is why it was not reported. Same will alien organ harvesting that was also not reported.

#52

netinyahoo is an enemy of america,because of his leadership in effecting american jews to be first for israel regardless of issue premise, all jews host israel a their homeland,the aquisition of wealth in america is but an end to acheiving retirement in ever continueing construction of settlements on stolen land by decree of god,so say jews, lastly this note,:: organ harvesting from palestineans killed by israelie forces in gaza was never made public, this shows the power that jews have over the media

#51

Today’s scope, breadth and power of the Arab propaganda machine against Israel and Jews would make Goebbels green with envy. What they lack in honest argument and hard facts, they more than make up in their breathtaking capability to manufacture total fabrications out of whole cloth. But they are aided by self-hating renegade fellow travellers who have afflicted their own people since Moses’s time. Until very recently, Israel has not even deigned to respond to the decades of baseless calumnies,but thankfully this is starting to change. Hitler said that a big lie told often enough and long enough soon becomes accepted as the conventional wisdom. Unfortunately, he was only too correct. He would be proud of the propaganda machine that Israel’s mortal enemies have put in place.What is appalling that so many who by now should know better still fall for the old antisemitic snake all so soon.

#50

This is the Zionist narrative, I red and I disagree with it. I suggest you red Migdal and Kimberling, the Palestinian people. Avi Shalim Crossing the Jordan River and the Iron Wall, read also how was Israel won, and read William Cleveland, read Walid Khalidi, there are many books that refute your narrow narrative. As for the money, the Germans alone gave more than 100 Billion to Israel, the USA gave more than 200 Billion and many more. The Palestinians have been there before Moses and Abraham, thus before Judaism was created. Go read history and then blog

#49

Since 1948, Israel started 8 wars, and Correcton to David Hoffman’s comments:
Israel never statred any war, nor has Israel ever attaacked any country unprovoked. Most of the countries you mention, Egypt, Syria,Lebanon,Tunisia and especially Iraq, all had Jewish populations going back thousands of years. All of them launched pogroms against their Jewish populations and caused more than a million refugees. They ahve not been scrounging billions from the UN and the US and the EU like the alleged “Palestinian refugees”. The Jews build a country. No American aid would ever have been necessary other than to pay for defense costs forced upon Israel by the countries Mr. Hoffman enumeates.
Finally, one of the countries he mentions in his list, he calls Palestine. There has never been a country by that name in all of history. In recent centuries it was a province of the Ottoman Empire, conquered by the allies in WW1. There were Jews in the area for many centuries. In a census in the late 1800’s Jews outnumbered Arabs in Jerusalem. Palestine was never a state. However the vast majority of Palestine, 78% of the territory, WAS turned into a state for Arabs only – ethnically cleansed of Jews – and called Trans-Jordan, later simply Jordan. That is the Palestinian state. It has renounced its claim on the West Bank and Jerusalem. Now Mr. Hoffman is educated.

#48

if the US wants to settle the conflict it needs to ignore the jewish washington lobby,inform israel that it must relinquish the settlements in the occupied lands.israel needs the US support.the US does not need israel.

#47

Just Got Educated:JGE, This how Israeli schools teach hate to you and to others. Notice none in his blogges uses the word hate as much as you do,for you are fed it at an early age. I would love to hear your next lie

Last update – 18:05 27/08/2009

Peres: Refusal to enroll Ethiopian students a disgrace no Israeli can accept

By Or Kashti, Haaretz Correspondent

President Shimon Peres on Thursday slammed the refusal by a number of schools in Petach Tikva to enroll Ethiopian immigrant children.

The decision not to enroll the students is “a disgrace no Israeli can accept”, Peres said Thursday.

In response, the three Petach Tikva private issed a joint statement Thursday in which they vowed to allow Ethiopian immigrant children and students with disabilities to enroll for school, adding “it’s up to the president to learn the facts of the matter.”

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Peres’ statements Thursday came after it was reported that the Education Ministry is preparing to immediately pull all funding for private Orthodox schools that refuse to enroll Ethiopian immigrant children, according to various ministry sources.

The sources said the funding would stop unless the schools agreed by Sunday – two days before the school year begins – to enroll all the students assigned to them.

“We will not allow racist provocations, even if they are couched in all kinds of pretexts,” Education Minister Gideon Sa’ar said Tuesday.

A ministry official said the parents whose children attend the three schools in question are relatively well-off, and would not be affected by “a fine of a few percentage points. Therefore, the decision taking shape is to stop all funding.”

These three schools receive most of their money from the ministry and the municipality.

The acting mayor of Petah Tikva, who is in charge of the city’s Orthodox education system, Moti Zaft, said the only solution was separate classes for the immigrants, because they lacked knowledge and learning skills. Social activities would be held jointly with other children, he said.

He said the city’s schools had agreed to divide equally the Ethiopian student body, and that the private schools had accepted his plan.

Sa’ar responded that special immigrant classes were “a stain on the education system and on any school that uses them,” in an interview with Army Radio.

Rabbi Shay Piron, executive director of Hakol Hinuch, the Movement for the Advancement of Education in Israel, said Wednesday, “The struggle against the three private schools in Petah Tikva needs a much wider focus, on ‘recognized, unofficial education.’ Unless we wipe out this phenomenon, which has only grown in recent years, public education will continue to be the less attractive choice for Israeli parents.

#46

Just Got Educated :JGE, Billions of Dollars are given to Israel by the USA and the Europeans, ( since 1948 more than $400 Billion) all of it is used to kill the Palestinians, build illegal settlements, ethically cleanse the Palestinians from Jerusalem, Hebron, Nablus and the Galilee areas, invade neighboring countries. Since 1948, Israel started 8 wars, and killed or caused the death of more than a million Arabs and Muslims in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, Tunisia and Iraq. Americans will soon begin doing more research on the brutalities of Israel, and hopefully will ask for war tribunals for many criminals among Israel’s military and political apparatus

#45

Just Got Educated: JGE, just see what your people are doing to honest Americans, I am sure you will see who is teaching hatred in his schools anf Yeshivas. Michael Evans is a loser like you
U.S. rabbis suspected of brokering illegal sale of human kidneys

By Reuters

Tags: Jewish World, Israel News

Three New Jersey mayors and several rabbis were arrested on Thursday in a sweeping federal investigation into political corruption that also uncovered human kidney sales and money laundering from Brooklyn to Israel, authorities said.

Among the 44 people arrested were Hoboken Mayor Peter Cammarano, who took office 23 days ago.

Cammarano, at 31 the city’s youngest-ever mayor, was charged with taking $25,000 in bribes, including e10,000 last Thursday, said the U.S. Attorney’s office in Newark, New Jersey.

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The case exposed “a corrupt network of public officials who were all too willing to take cash in exchange for promised official action,” Acting U.S. Attorney Ralph Marra said in a statement. “It seemed that everyone wanted a piece of the action. The corruption was widespread and pervasive.”

Central to the investigation was an informant who was charged with bank fraud in 2006 and posed undercover as a real estate developer and owner of a tile business hoping to build projects and win public contracts in northern New Jersey, according to documents in the case.

The undercover witness helped infiltrate a money-laundering
network by rabbis who operated between Brooklyn, Deal, New Jersey, and Israel and laundered millions of dollars through charitable nonprofit entities controlled by rabbis in New York and New Jersey, authorities said.

They laundered some $3 million for the undercover witness between June 2007 and July 2009, authorities said.

Julio La Rosa, acting special agent in charge of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, said while traditional money laundering was once confined to narcotics traffickers and organized crime, “based on the allegations contained in today’s complaints, money laundering has no boundaries and impacts every segment of our society.”

Human kidney sales
Rabbis accused of money-laundering were Eliahu Ben Haim, the principal rabbi of a synagogue in Deal; Saul Kassin, chief rabbi of a synagogue in Brooklyn; Edmund Nahum, the principal rabbi of another synagogue in Deal; and Mordchai Fish, a rabbi at a synagogue in Brooklyn.

Most of the defendants were arrested early on Thursday by federal agents.

One of the many criminal complaints filed in the case also accused a Brooklyn man, Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, with conspiring to broker the sale of a human kidney for a transplant, at a cost of $160,000 to the transplant recipient.

According to the complaint, Rosenbaum said he had been brokering the sale of kidneys for 10 years.

The undercover witness also helped infiltrate the huge public corruption scheme, authorities said.

A slew of public officials, council and mayoral candidates and associates took bribes for pledging their help in getting projects prioritized and approved or steering contracts to the witness, authorities said.

Accused were Secaucus Mayor Dennis Elwell, state Assemblyman Daniel Van Pelt and Jersey City Deputy Mayor Leona Beldini, according to the U.S. Attorney’s office.

Also named were state assemblymen L. Harvey Smith, and Daniel Van Pelt, who were charged with accepting bribes.

Elwell was charged with taking a $10,000 cash bribe, and Anthony Suarez, mayor of Ridgefield, was charged with agreeing to accept a e10,000 corrupt cash payment.

Beldini, Jersey City deputy mayor, was charged with taking $20,000 in illegal contributions

#44

The true intent of the parties will determine what happens.
Article 7 of the Hamas Charter, that its its own definition of its reason for existing, states that its goal is the destruction of the State of Israel and its population. The populationof Gaza had five full years to read, to be taught and to understand this goal before they had the opportunity to vote in a free election. The result was an overwhelming majority in favor. The intent is clear. Even clearer is the message taught to the very youngest Gazans from books funded by the UN and the Eurpeans. They teach that killing Israelis is good. Math is taught with exanmples measured in numbers of dead. Streets are name after suice bombers.
Against this background, what meaning is there to talks, and what purpose to negotiate?

#43

The climate for peace will be preceeded by the world renouncing the myth, or blatant falsehood, that the West Bank and “East” Jerusalem (which actually includes all of the Old City)are “illegaly” occupied, or were ever part of a Palestinian state. It is true that before 1967 those area were illegally occupied by Jordan for 19 years, without complaint from the world, but also without recognition. Jordan captured the lands in 1948 in an attempt to destroy Israel. The cease-fire lines from that war are to-day wrongly reffered to as the “international border” to which Israel must return. Jordan launched asecond attempt to destroy Israel in 1967. That was legally repulsed, resulting in the legal occupation. The same is true of Gaza, except that the illegal occupier until 1967 was Egypt, whose attack on Israel fully justified Israel’s response. Straightening out the facts is the only prelude to peace.
Most important of all is for those living in the world’s great democracies to have access to unbiased reporting. Any notion that all of the wars in the area were not caused by the Arab wish to destroy Israel, are false. Secondly the definition of “refugee” has to uniform accross the world. The UN has a definition unique to Palestinians unlike any other refugees. Globally, refugees are people who have fled the place of their birth due to war. Palestinian r”reugees” includes all their descendnats for all time – currently three generatons. By that definition the entire population of Israel are refugees – one million fled Arab countries, the rest mostly European refugees or their descendants.
People living in the place of their birth are not refugees. Eg American Jews.

#42

To Edward R. Brandt, Ph.D.,

Thanks to Eisenhower NOT giving Israel a formal treaty of alliance in the early 1950s, as it did with Germany in NATO and later Japan and many ohter countries, and because Eisenhower along with Khruschev ganged up on Israel to force it to withdraw from the Sinai in 1957 or face a cutoff of aid, or a rocket attack from Russia, Israel and France BOTH collaborated together to become nuclear powers. Both Israel and France became nuclear powers so they could not be so easily pushed around by the big superpowers. But Israel was given a promise by the US in 1957 that it would come to Israel’s help if Nasser tried blockading it again if Israel gave back the Sinai, which Israel did. A promise that the US was NOT to keep in 1967, when yet another blockade of the Straits of Tiran by Nasser forced Israel to go to war yet again because the US and the world again did nothing. In 1948 the US and the world did nothing to protect Israel. In 1967 the US and the world did nothing to protect Israel. As for the so-called “settlements,” Israel was perfectly ready to remain within the Armistice lines of 1949 while Jordan occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, but the Arabs refused to recognize Israel and make peace, or recognize the Armistice lines of 1949 as Israel’s borders. Even after the failure to destroy Israel again in 1967 did the Arabs suddenly refer to the “pre-’67” borders, knowing full well that they had never recognized Israel or the 1949 demarcation line as its defacto or dejure borders.
Even after the defeats of 1967 and 1973, the Arabs refused to recognize Israel and come to the peace table. The only thing that finally brought Egypt to the peace table, and the PLO to ostensibly recognize Israel,was the occupation and settlement of those territories. Without settlements, there would have been no incentive to even begin a peace process with Israel. The Arabs have repeatedly been the aggressors, and serial aggressors must pay a price. And that price must be the loss of some territory. Otherwise, why shouldn’t the Arabs continue their policy of non-recognition and aggression against Israel, if there is no price to pay for it? Every war creates territorial adjustments, and all occupations only come to end with a peace treaty. That is an indisputable historical fact.

#41

Billions of our dollars go to Arab oil producing countries. That money is used to support Moslem terror activities.

Thousands of Israelis were maimed or killed by Moslem fanatics blowing innocent Israeli civilians.

Israel built the wall and the checkpoints to stop the terrorists from entering Israel. Israeli military and police keep capturing would be Palestinian terrorist on a daily basis, and they are in Israeli prisons.

Palestinian leaders, secular and religious, keep spreading hatred of Israel, and promoting Palestinian terrorists. Palestinian leaders have stolen billions of dollars in aid and put them in Swiss banks. Arafat and his helpers stole six billion dollars, two billion are under Arafat’s widow in Swiss banks.

So promoting hatred and deception by Palestinian leaders is the obstacle to peace, not settlements, not wall, not checkpoints, not arresting terrorists.

Israel is only defending themselves, be aggression from Hezbollah in Lebanon, from Hamas rocket attacks in Gaza, or terrorists and hatred from Fatah in Ramallah.

Until palestinian leaders stop this hatred and terror, there will be no peace.

This is the information we need to sendand keep repeating to Obama, Senators and Congressmen.

#40

Marina Gutierrez:

Do not mix Paul’s prejudices with present day politics.

El monje loco le dijo a la monja; Nadie sabe nadie supo. Hay escuelas nocturnas para aprender la verdad.

#39

Hey Marina Gutierrez: All of that is Arab/Palestinian propaganda, read my blogs and supporting evidence.

Obama told Abbas that the Arabs/Palestinians should stop spreading hatred against Israel in the Palestinian schools, mosques and public gatherings. Have you ever heard sermons in Catholic or Christian churches preach hatred as they do in the sermons in moslem mosques?

Now Abbas has ignored this recommendation, hatred and distortions about Israel continue in the Arab/Palestinian propaganda. This is what Obama needs to know and stop.

#38

To Edward R. Brandt Pail higher and Dipper and Fred Lebert.

See the following and you could learn a thing or two:

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=288509-7&clipStart=&clipStop=

It is the Christian Coalition that gives Israel its fullhearterdly support, and they represent millions of Americans. See this interview of Mike Evans in C-Span and learn. It might earn you another Pile higher and Deeper degree to both of you.

#37

This seems to be what Thich Nhat Hanh believes it will take to reach a Middle East peace agreement:

“We recommended that the Palestinians and Israeli talk about their suffering, fears, and despair in a public forum that all the world could hear. We could all listen without judging, without condemning in order to understand the experience of both sides. This would prepare the ground of understanding for peace talks to occur.

The same situation now exists between the American people and people of Islamic and Arabic nations. There is much misunderstanding and lack of the kind of communication that hinders our ability to resolve our difficulties peacefully.” (1)

-Thich Nhat Hanh

Thich Nhat Hanh is a Vietnamese, Zen Buddhist Monk, teacher, author, poet and peace activist. He was nominated by Martin Luther King, Jr. (Dr. of Religions and a Baptist minister) for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1967, saying that he didn’t “personally know of anyone more worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize than this gentle Buddhist monk from Vietnam.” (2) Thomas Merton was a 20th century American Catholic writer, a Trappist monk of the Abbey of Gethsemani, Kentucky, he was a poet, social activist and student of comparative religion. He has said Thich Nhat Hanh is his “brother”. “He is more my brother than many who are nearer to me by race and nationality, because he and I see things exactly the same way. He and I deplore the war that is ravaging his country.” He has asked to “Do what you can for him…whatever you would do for me if I were in his position.” (3)

Put simply, Thich Nhat Hanh is the closest voice we have to Martin Luther King, Jr. and Thomas Merton—two religious Figures who’re respected by virtually ever Christian and non-Christian in this nation, and a majority of our nation is Christian. I think his opinion should be known and our media and citizens should do what they can to make it known.

(1) http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/OsamabinLaden-ThichNhatHanh.htm
(2) http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/025.html
(3) http://books.google.com/books?id=H4QybVtXRgsC&pg=PA106-IA2&lpg=PA106-IA2&dq=nhat+hanh+is+my+brother+merton&source=bl&ots=D0eZue3u0q&sig=uR5pm2bgM2ByKbkrx4XFA8ESF2E&hl=en&ei=diCWSo3BHYuCNIv3yPgN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=nhat%20hanh%20is%20my%20brother%20merton&f=false

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“If I were given the opportunity to be face to face with Osama bin Laden, the first thing I would do is listen. I would try to understand why he had acted in that cruel way. I would try to understand all of the suffering that had led him to violence.

This past summer a group of Palestinians and Israelis came to Plum Village, the practice center where I live in southern France, to learn and practice the arts of deep listening and loving speech. (Around 1,600 people come to Plum Village each summer from over a dozen countries to listen and to learn how to bring peace and understanding to their daily lives.)… When a person spoke, they refrained from using words of blame, hatred, and condemnation. They spoke in an atmosphere of trust and respect. Out of these dialogues the participating Palestinians and Israelis were very moved to realize that both sides suffer from fear. They appreciated the practice of deep listening and made arrangements to share what they had learned with others upon returning to their home countries.” (1)

Excerpts from Nhat Hanh’s “Creating True Peace”:

“To have peace, we must first have understanding, and understanding is not possible without gentle, loving communication. Therefore, restoring communication is an essential practice for peace. Communication is the foundation, the flowering of our practice of nonviolence.” (p.24)

“Our enemy is never another person; our enemy is the wrong perceptions and suffering within him, within her. When a doctor sees a person who is suffering, he tries to identify the sickness within the patient, to remove it. He does not try to kill his patient. The role of the doctor is not to kill people but to cure the illness within them. It is the same with a person who has suffered so much and who has been making you suffer—the solution is not to kill him but to try to relieve him of his suffering.” (89-90)

“If we kill the terrorist father, the son may become a terrorist; the more we kill, the more terrorists we may create. That has been the course of history.” (198)

“America can be a great nation if she knows how to act with compassion instead of punishment. We can offer peace. We can offer the relief of transformation and healing.” (205)

#36

Our tax dollars help Israel seize and occupy Palestinian land,demolish their homes,destroy their orchards and ancient olive trees, imprison them behind the wall, imprison Palestinians in Israeli jails, deny the population access to water,food, medical care, education, jobs. This is a major obstacle to PEACE. Write to President OBama and your senator in Washington and demand a viable Palestinian state in the 1967 borders.

#35

Professor Sari Nusseibeh head of Al-Quds University (Al-Quds is Jerusalem in Arabic) said the following in an interview with the Jerusalem Post:

“Are the Palestinians and the Israeli Arabs part of the same people?

Well, yes, they are and they aren’t. The Israeli Arabs are Palestinians in one sense, but they’re very much Israeli in another. They look upon themselves as Israelis; they see themselves as part of Israel, which is peculiar. For instance, if you went to an Israeli Arab – Muslim or Christian – and said, “Look, in a future agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians, we are going to be able to include where you’re living in a Palestinian state,” he’d probably say, “No thank you; go away.” [he laughs]

If you were to ask him why, he’d say, “This [Israel] is my country. This is my state. I’ve grown up here. I like it here. And I look at you over there, and I don’t like what I see.”

And, you know, I don’t blame them. We Palestinians have not succeeded in creating something of which we can be proud, or which can be attractive. So, why should anybody wish to come and live here?

An Israeli Arab – regardless of everything else that he might feel – feels that [in Israel] the law protects him. That he has rights as an individual. Come what may, it’s a system; it’s a state; it has elections; democracy; protects the women.

We on the Palestinian side haven’t been able to create anything like that. Come to think of it, if I were to be asked what I need a state for, I would say that it is primarily to see ways in which the needs and rights of the individual are addressed. I didn’t fight for a Palestinian state for anything else. If a Palestinian state doesn’t provide me with this, I don’t want it. This may be one basic difference between me and the Jews, who might want a state for other reasons. I want a state that will give me respect; that will recognize my dignity, make me feel equal; to develop; to grow; to feel that I’m able to practice and develop my abilities.”

To read the whole interview go to:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1177514491787&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

Israel was created and continues to be in spite of Arab/Palestinian terrorism and aggression. Both in kind and verbal. Arab/Palestinian distortions are continuously presented by Susan Walsh, DH(DisHonest) and Son of …J.
These people are graduates of the hatred of Israel Palestinian Schools, mosques and Ramallah public gatherings.

#34

Fred Lebert is absolutely right. But with a shockingly weak leader like Obama, who thinks words are enough, there is no chance of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East. We need an Eisenhower, who applied the same standard of what is right and what is wrong to all nations and had enough credibility to succeed in forcing Israel, Britain and France to end their aggression against Egypt. By now Israel is the last colonial power and much greater military power, which it has used with evder greater brutality, only a U.S. threat to withdraw all mlitary, economic and diplomatic support from Israel if it fails to remove every Jew from the illegal settlements captured in 1967 (and a willingness to follow through if necessary), the chance of peace is nil.

#33

I wish the viewers could also vote on which response they like best, and have worldfocus address that most voted response on their show.

I think our media should do that.

#32

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg&feature=PlayList&p=F81BB573C9C0C7B2&index=0&playnext=1

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

On p. 376-7 it clearly admits Iraq and Israel are motives for the Sunni Muslim global Jihadist movement, and then in states that no one is safer with worldwide Islamic terrorism. Yet, we have done nothing to dampen their fervor to lessen recruits and funding.

Not apologizing for anything or at least teaching our people about these grievances is a sure way to increase violence.

To create peace, the US needs to teach it’s people the truth. There really could be debates and discussions on prime time, national television about this stuff.

Although global Jihadists hate Iran more than the west the US has still yet to apologize for the Shah, even after Obama’s overtures to Iran in which he gave Iran ultimatums.

#31

The root of the problem is conflicting religious ideals. Each religion wants to claim this land for their religion. Jerusalem holds serious religious significance for all three major Abrahamic faiths. So as long as one of them controls the region the other will be dissatisfied to say the least. The only foreseeable solution is that no religion has monopoly on the region, coexistence is the solution. How do we achieve coexistence between these groups of people is a better question. The solution employed throughout most of the western world is secularism, that is, a government with no official religion where people of all faiths live together. I don’t see this happening anytime soon in the middle-east, and would require a significant shift of social thought within the middle-east. Unlike in the western world and throughout much of Asia, the middle-east has not gone through their “age of enlightenment”, perhaps this is the key to such a shift in thought.

#30

There will only be peace via a two state solution in the Middle East if the U.S. strongly supports the UN and coordinates a regional solution that including ALL states in the region (i.e., includes Iran, etc.) plus all other states that with an interest such as Russia, China, etc. Additionally the talks MUST include all parties (i.e. Hamas, Hezbollah) to ensure they had an opportunity to participate in the final regional binding solution. Under UN leadership, with U.S. backing, the regional members could give Israel and Palestine a fixed time to come up with an agreement between themselves, otherwise the UN regional body will construct a two state resolution and force its acceptance by both Israel and Palestine.
The above action is necessary because of the following facts:
-Israel will NEVER willingly withdraw from most of the settlements and return the required occupied land plus turnover control to Palestine.
-Israel has been brutally occupying about 1.5M palestainians for over 40 yrs. and forcing them to live under humilitating conditions. This condition cannot continue indefinetly without eventually forcing the use of WMD that destroys most of Israel and a good part of the surround area. One can see the emergence of nuclear and chemical weapons so this insanity must stop before the inevable happens! Outside powers are the only ones that can stop the lunacy!
-Israel has a long histroy of being self-destructive, and they need outside help to prevent them from destroying themselves again. They are not capable of regulating themselves.
-Israel has many strong lobbies that in the past has been able to to BUY U.S. presidents and congressmen via campaign contributions and other gifts/services. Hence they believe they can be as beligerent and agressive as they wish and the U.S. will back them- as proven by history.
-Israel is backed by most of the U.S. Media as much of it is controlled/influenced by Jewish sources. This is evident in the mostly one sided coverage favoring Israel and negative toward the Palestianians.
-Palestinian people have been exploited by numerous political palestinian factions. These factions have been as irresponsable as the various Israelie governments have been. They have created a hostile opposition movement that fires rockets into Israel and kidnaps solders that inturn gives the Israelies an excuse to keep the conflict going indefinetly. These Palestinian leaders are also self-destructive and need outside help to force a peaceful soultion.
-Palestinians and Israelies both use the same GOD as an excuse to continue the conflict under their terms. If neither side is strong enough to bring GOD here to achieve a peace settlement, then they should stop referring to GOD and what they think he has done, and settle the conflict between yourselves.
-Lastly, The U.S. is totally responsible for financially, militarily, and politically supporting Israel brutal and reckless behavior, and preventing the UN and the many other responsible countries from resolving this conflict peacefully. President Obama’s Middle East peace initiative is fighting major odds as stated above, and it is long overdue for the U.S. Congress to finally become patriots first for their country and for world peace, and to shelve their personal greed at least for now. Israel was once our valued ally, but the cold war is over and cooperative world globalization is now more important than an old ally that has turned recklessly greedy and brutal. Chances are high that the Israelies and the Palestinians do not get this message and that is why the above solution must be dictated to obtain a Middle East peace!

#29

Great nations often make great mistakes; witness Israel’s occupation of the territories, opposed at the beginning by Mossad, David Ben-Gurion and many others. Israel has had to suffer the effects of that great mistake for a long time, and its national ego apparently will not allow it to reconsider.

The horrors of a national theocracy, fed by the collective insanity of fundamentalists who live under the delusion that some deity somewhere wrote a book giving them land which in no realistic way belongs to them, all create a painful, though not insolvable, conflict.

Then comes the arrogant seizure of Jerusalem, one of the great cities of the world, important in all three of the major religious traditions, which now the radical Netanyahu says is irrevocably Israel’s capital. Jerusalem should be declared an open city, belonging to the world. It needs be no one’s capital.

America’s blind, unquestioning support of Israel has complicated the issue for far too long. The US can still be a friend to Israel and yet stand up to them when atrocities are committed against much weaker adversaries, and when land is stolen in violation of United Nations agreements.

#28

The discussion here ignores the bottom line:

It is Arab rejectionism that started and maintains this conflict. The Arab world rejected coexistence in 1948, and repeatedly since. A most cursory reading of the Arab media (see http://www.memri.org) shows that there is wide belief that the “peace process” can be used to force Israel back to indefensible boundaries, after which further military action can be applied. Just see what leading Palestinian officials, and even Egyptian officials, say and write.

Until this changes, all the talk and all the pressure on the more pliable party, Israel, won’t bring peace. Just look how the Gaza withdrawal brought Hamas to power, or how Hezbollah took over south Lebanon. Almost every Israeli concession has exacerbated extremism and led to more frequent attacks.

And Israel has every right to exist. Half of its citizens are descendants of Jewish refugees from Arab lands, who survived centuries of persecution. They came to Israel penniless, but rebuilt their lives. In stark contrast, the Arab world continues to exploit for political gain, the descendants of a similar number of Arab refugees.

There were ancient Jewish communities in Safed, Hebron, Jerusalem, that stuck to the land despite severe persecution (e.g. reported by the British consul James Finn in 1861).

The Arab world could easily have set up a Palestinian state in the West Bank between 1948 and 1967, but didn’t. Its chief interest has always been to use the Palestinian issue to deligitimize and destroy Israel, and as a distraction from failures within.

#27

To Miriam Moses.

Why should the Arabs come to the table and make peace with Israel? What’s in it for them? Sadat only did so because after failing to regain Sinai by war in 1973, he saw that he had no other option but come crawling to the Knesset if he ever wanted to get the Sinai back. And he was killed for it. Jordan made peace because Israel protects Abdullah and his kingdom, and he knows it. But why should other ARab states recognize Israel and make peace only to risk assassination and revolutions? Algeria has no reaon to make peace. Nor does Libya, et al. Now with the Shia threat from Iran, some Arabs know that only Israel can stand up to the Iranian Shia threat, and they wouldn’t mind if Iran and Israel went to war and destroyed each other. Because a war between Israel and Iran would not be a 6 day war, unless Israel used its nukes. So I don’t see any hope of a real peace for decades to come, if ever. And now the Palestinians have Obama and America to negotiate with Israel on their behalf, so why do they have to bother? It’s a conundrum, for sure.

#26

For all you put your reason for your position this issue on God or faith I suggest the you read Arron David Miller’s book “This Much Too Promised Land” and then with an open mind re-think your opinions on who, what, when and how in that historically exploited, troubled part of the world.

#25

The solution to the problem is outlined in the former speaker of the Knesset Avraham Burg’s book “The Holocaust is Over We Must Rise From Its Ashes”

#24

The whole settlement issue is a red herring.Peace is prevented by the Palestinian rejection of Israel’s existence as a Jewish state and their refusal to fulfill its commitments to arrest terrorists and to end incitement to hatred and murder of Jews. Pres. Obama’s current mid – east policy has given the Palestinians an excuse not to come to the table.

#23

To Peter, re: post 21

One has the right to question the judgement of the Council of the League of Nations which in 1920 and 1922 chose to award Palestine to the sovereignty of the Jewish people who at that time constituted less than 10% of the population of Palestine. That is understandable. But the Jewish question was an anomaly. The question was, does the rights of the 650,000 or so Arabs living in Palestine supercede the rights of then 9 million Jews whose homeland had been occupied, destroyed and stolen by the European Romans, and who for 18 centuries been forced to roam the earth, more often than not persecuted and despised and mostly permanenly stateless. And in light of the fact that eventually 21 Arab states were to be carved out of the former Ottoman Empire it seemed to some that some justice for the Jews had to be provided, even if it meant that a relatively few Arabs would be deprived of sovereignty over one tiny piece of land. The Arabs of Palestine had never historically never had a state there either, and had no prior claim of sovereignty.Yes, they had lived there, but then Jews had lived in many places for centuries but not given sovereignty anywhere else over any territory either. So it was a tough call. But the Council of the League of Nations, the equivalent of today’s UN Security Council, ruled in favor of the Jewish Zionist claim. The court cannot always please everyone. A decision is made, and has to be abided by. Unfortunately, the Arabs refused to abide by it, and that is why the conflict begain in 1920 and has continued to this day.

#22

To Mr. Haitham BouZeineddine

A one state solution is not out of the question, provided that: (a) the Arabs pledge loyalty to the Jewish state as have the Druze, Armenians and other non-hostile minorities;
(b) Recognize that Israel is the legitimate homeland of the Jewish people, and are prepared to live as loyal citizens within it and to defend it. Just as American “Indians” and African-Americans today pledge allegiance to the flag of the country that once harmed and enslaved them.

Israel can be the Homeland of the Jewish nation, as well as the country of all of its citizens, just as Germany is the homeland of the German people but today gives equal rights to Muslims, Jews and other non-German minorities.

#21

62 years after a bare plurality of some 40 or 50 European, North & South American and a handful of African, Arab, and post-colonial Asian countries voted to award more than 1/2 of Britain’s Palestinian protectorate to the minority of Jewish residents, we have never conjured a vision for accomodating both the rights of Palestine’s then majority of inhabitants and the aspirations of an idealistic core of “Zionists” intent on re-establishing the Jewish “homeland” last known in A.D. 79 together with the desparate survivors of the world’s most ghastly holocaust (including the 100,000 “displaced” in Europe that America had no interest in admitting). How the Christian and Muslim Arabs of 1947 Palestine, and their three generations of refugee descendants, and the Israelis, drawn originally from Europe, and then in waves from Russia, the Arab Mediterranean, and America, can be reconciled is a conundrum even George Mitchell must be doubtful can be solved.
I dream of a secular, democratic, Arab and Jewish nation, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan.

#20

Not to mention Sunni Muslims (majority) believe Jesus will return to Earth during the End Times.

Muslims believe in the Virgin Mary and mention her by name in the Qur’an, thirty times, which is more so than in the New Testament. (Hussain, 27)

Maybe if Israel freezes their occupation and do their best to recede to the green line, the Muslim community would be willing to raise the dome.

The Temple may not even have been quite where the Dome is.

Hal Lindsey view

“According to American evangelical author Hal Lindsey, the Third Temple could be built right next to the Dome of the Rock. [4] He believes, based on the theory of Dr. Asher Kaufman regarding the location of the Eastern Gate, that the Dome of the Rock was built on what the Bible refers to as the Court of the Gentiles. He states that according to Revelation 11:1-2, the rebuilding of the Third Temple was not to include the section of the temple mount known as The Court of the Gentiles. Therefore, he believes that the Third Temple and the Dome of the Rock could stand side by side.”

-wiki

#19

tim jones Says:

“First, the entire world must recognize that God gave Israel this land. Second, ALL Moslems and the entire global community must recognize ISRAEL! Third, the world must understand Jerusalem will NEVER be divided and the Temple will be rebuilt.”

Except this mentality really does create a ton of violence and brings suffering to God’s creation.

Jews basically think Jesus was a false prophet, a liar. Reform Jews may think he was a good teacher, idk enough about Jewsish people to make an honest assessment.

“Of the biblical prophets, Moses is named most often in the Qur’an – more than 200 times. Jesus is mentioned more than 90 times. By contrast, Muhammad is only mentioned by name four times.”(Amir Hussain’s “Oil & Water” p.53)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt66kbYmXXk

#18

Considering that Israel pre-empted the 1967 war (illegal war) and the UN ordered Israel back to the 1967 borders along with defying about 40 other UN citations for illegal activity, the settlements are on palestinian land and need to be removed, the walls need to be torn down and the U.S. needs to understand that the Israeli goverment also broke the cease-fire with Hamas to start an inhuman and unjust war that Israel inflicted on Gaza. Then the US should ask, if Israel isn’t willing to come clean and be fair with the palestinian, is Israel worth our effort to maintain this country as an ally.

#17

There is only one solution remaining for a peace settlement, a one state solution. The Palestinians should be given Israeli citizenship and let the democratic process govern all. An independent Palestinian state is no longer viable. It would be a divided country with Israeli territory separating the two wings, Israeli settlements are deeply entrenched into the West bank, and an agreement over Jerusalem is virtually impossible. Palestinians and Israelis have been living side-by-side for decades, it is time to formalize the current situation. A one state solution can be an Israeli unilateral initiative. Any future Palestinian armed opposition can be considered an internal matter for Israel to address as it sees fit.

#16

To Mr. Doron Lubinsky.

No, neither World Focus, nor the BBC, or Deutsch Welle, CNN nor any major media outfit will ever again give a fair and balanced portrait of the conflict, for a very simple and obvious reason. Ever since the Arab state were finally forced to open up their societies to free media, Al Jazeera and all the world media outlets now vigorously compete for the 1.5 billion strong Muslim audiences for advertising revenues. Now, does anyone expect a newspiece made in any way reflecting even a remotely pro-Israel stance is going to play well with Arab and Muslim audiences? I don’t think so. Israel can never again see a fair and balanced coverage of the conflict unless it does one thing: that is, to ban all media from Jerusalem and Israel that does not provide equal time to mainstream Israelis to rebut the usual pro-palestinian diatribes. If they do not provide equal time for rebuttal by moderate and not left wingers like Levy and his colleagues, then they would not be let into Israel unless they do. That is the only card Israel holds that might get the media back into balance again. They don’t have to be pro-Israel, but they must be forced to be fair.

#15

In addition to misguided “analysis,” your “expert,” Daniel Levy, often makes factually incorrect statements. Please let him explain which “international law” Israel has violated by building in Jerusalem. Jordan conquered part of Jerusalem by force in 1948 and Israel took it back in 1967. Aside from this 19 year period, Jerusalem has been a united city for thousands of years. There is no “international law” that restricts building in any part of the city.

#14

SETTLEMENTS ARE NOT THE BIGGEST ISSUE.

It would not matter if there were no settlements, nor if the Dalai Lama is Israel’s Prime Minister, nor if Israel was just Tel Aviv. The Arab world has scarcely shifted its attitudes since it invaded the tiny new Jewish state of Israel in 1948. Ignoring that and pressuring Israel for one-sided concessions is not going to bring peace. The most vital need is for the Arab world to give up its current quiet goal of destroying Israel politically, after the failure of military means.

Maybe World Focus will do a service to its viewers if it reported what Mahmoud Abbas said at the recent Fatah convention in Bethlehem – instead of incessantly attacking over “settlements”.

At that convention, Abbas reiterated that he will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state. He repeated support for the Al Aqsa Brigades, and boasted of their attacks. He appointed a commission to investigate how “Israel murdered Yasser Arafat” (sic.)

Above all, he demanded that refugees be resettled in pre-1967 Israel, not the West Bank. This denies the rights of the similar number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands. It sidesteps Arab responsibility for starting the wars that led to BOTH refugee issues.

It is unfortunate that World Focus ran hostile pieces on Israel’s Prime Minister and Foreign Minister and then admiringly punt the Palestinian Stock Exchange. This bias is typical.

Will you ever tell of Israelis concerns from representative Israelis views, not fringe voices like Daniel Levy?

Will you ever tell the story of Jewish refugees from Arab countries?

Will you ever point out that the bottom line is 60 years of Arab rejection of a two-state solution, no matter how small is Israel?

Will you ever tell the story of Jews who lived in East Jerusalem (they were a majority in the old city till they were driven out in the 1920’s) and Hebron and Safed and their travails prior to 1948?

#13

No ‘2-states’. Federate West Bank Arabs with Jordan and Gaza Arabs with Egypt and their state in Sinai. Shalom International and http://www.defendjerusalem.net has done 140 rallies and events and over 1000 news interviews to “Keep Jerusalem, Jewish for 3000 years, UNITED and to “Keep Israel, Jewish for 5000 yrs., United”. You can’t make peace with someone who wants to kill you. For Obama to tell Jews they can’t have babies in their holyland and give up this land to the very Islamic Nazi forces who are an extension of the Mufti of Jerusalem, alligned with Hitler, this ‘judenrein’ and disgusting politics, is no different in letting go free the Islamic Nazi who murdered 270 people on Pan Am 103. On Aug. 9,
Fatah and Abbas meeting in Bethlehem said they wanted now ALL of Jerusalem. What insanity. Then Obama wants to divide Jerusalem with the UN flag over the Kotel(Wailing Wall). This is the same UN that gives the Little Hitler a forum to destroy Israel and the same UN that allows the genocide in Darfur of 500,000 Blacks murdered by Muslims, who are also out there killing Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists and all ‘infidels’, besides Jews.
Everytime they talk ‘peace’ it means more war.
Israel doesn’t need to grovel, appease or surrender or commit suicide to cater to Obama, UN, EU who are all in bed with the Saudis and Muslim oil.
Join our “Million Mensch March” in D.C., June 5,5, 2010 for the above declaration for the whole world to witness.

#12

First, the entire world must recognize that God gave Israel this land. Second, ALL Moslems and the entire global community must recognize ISRAEL! Third, the world must understand Jerusalem will NEVER be divided and the Temple will be rebuilt.

#11

I would support a two-state solution too if I thought the Arabs were capable of creating any kind of stable, democratic, peaceful, viable state. Unfortunately, look throughout the Middle East and you won’t find one. To have a stable, democratic state, you have to first be a nation. The Arabs are not a nation, but a collection of hostile clans and tribes united by Islam, but even in that case, their penchant to violent vandettas and internecine warfare going back to even pre-Islamic times, makes the concept of a viable Arab state anywhere rather pie in the sky.
By contrast the Kurds are a nation, and have shown how quickly they can put together a democratic, viable country if they were allowed to have an independent state, which they are not. The Jews are a nation proved by the fact that they put together Israel in a flash. A nation tha was in exile for 2000 years,with no military managed to put together a strong state in next to no time at all. If the Palestinians were genuinely a nation, the Jews would never stood a chance of getting a foothold in the country in first place.But they were never a nation in the past, and I wish it were possible that they could become one in the future, but I see little evidnce of it when I see clans and rival political routinely murdering each on almost a daily basis in Gaza and the West Bank.

#10

Americans must wake up to the fact that we are hated in the Muslim world because of our association with the illegal Israeli occupation and persecution of the Palestinians. For instance, the 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said that’s why he hates America (See The 9/11 Commission Report page 147. Americans should therefore pressure Congress to end its subservience to the Israel Lobby so that we can work for a just peace settlement in accord with UN Security Council resoluti0ns and international law, such as the Arab Peace Plan. If necessary, sanctions should be placed on Israel to obey international law and end its illegal occupations.

#9

After the Six Day War (1967) I became a proponent of the TWO STATE solution. My idea included making the Temple Mount and West Wall an international zone controlled and policed by the United Nations. Now forty years, 2 generations, four wars and 2 Intifadas later, I realize the 2 state solution is not in the cards. Both Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs would rather fight than switch. It is the only way a small number of people in an out of the way place and otherwise not distinguished can get and keep the attention of the world. Ironically it is religion which portends to be a force for good, instead providing the fuel in the playing out the worst of human grievances real and perceived. A plague on both your houses! Don White, Jacksonville FL

#8

In addition, I would like to add that the world in talking about the myriad of UN resolutions passed against Israel, has forgotten that the Arab states totally violated the UN Charter when they attacked the newly born UN-authorized Jewish state in 1948 without a word of condemnation from the UN or anyone. No one came to Israel’s aid at the time, except Stalin who allowed Czechoslovakia to sell the Haganah arms which really saved the country. Neither the UN nor the US is in a moral position to tell Israel what it has to do. The UN and US sent troops to save South Korea a year later when it was attacked by communist North Korea, but not a single US GI came to Israel’s defense in ’48, except a few Jewish volunteers. It was that naked aggression agianst ISrael in ’48 that created both the Palestinian refugee problem, and the subsequent Jewish refugee flight from the Arab countries which is rarely today even remembered. For instance, I have never heard the US media mention that Sderot, the town under continuous Hamas rocket attack, is made up wholly of 20,000 Jews whose parents and grandparents fled the Arab countries after 1948 and lost all of their own lands and properties back there.

#7

I completely agree with the input from #1, #2, #3, #4, #5. I am so tired of the Israel government telling lies and our Congress going along with the lies. History will not look on the USA very favorably regarding this situation. We have been made to feel so guilty about the horror of WW11 that we cannot see straight. Yet hardly any words about Russian WW11 casualties.

Israel has treated the Palestinians in ways that shame their nation of Israel.

#6

To reach peace in the ME, the 56 Muslim countris must finally accept the RIGHT of the Jewish state to exist, as enshrined in international law by the Council of the League of Nations in 1922, which clearly ruled that Palestine is the “Jewish National Home,” and to finally accept the UN resolution that authorized the “Jewish State” to come into being. Until the Arabs and Muslims fully accept that Israel exists BY RIGHT and not just as fact due to its might, there will never be peace no matter what Mr. Levy or anyone has to say about. The Jewish nation is an integral part fo the Middle East in same way as Egypt, Syria and Arabia. When that historical fact is fully digested and umambiguously acknowledged, only then might peace prevail.

As for US funding, it can cutoff aid to BOTH sides equally it wants to. It won’t faze Israel one bit. Israe won in ’48 without much US aid and will again if the Arabs continue their assault on the right of the Jewish state to exist in peace.

#5

I hope one day that the America media will address the question of Palestine and Israel’s illegal occupation of it with the same vigor they address the Iranian question. We saw when the riots took place in Iran, American media was so thirsty to cover every second of it, the killing, the demonstrations, the human right abuses, all the sudden Americans sympathized with the Iranians ————————————-, hope one day that the question of Palestinians will be treated the same, and the American media will be calling things by their original name. Killing is killing, ethnic cleansing is ethnic cleansing, stealing is stealing, a rouge state is a rouge state. Once the American media rises to that level of transparency many Israeli and Palestinian lives will be saved. For the question of Palestine will be solved. Indeed I argue that the American media is an accomplice in the conflict because of its biasness

#4

Nothing new from sweet talker Mr. Levy, where is the Palestinian side of the story Worldfocus? There are enough Palestinians to talk about their land being settled (stolen) After all we are talking about Palestinian land not Jewish land and thus, It would have been more appropriate to have a Palestinian talking about this rather than a former Israeli official. Bottom line Israel is in violation of UN resolutions on all fronts. The only so called democracy with this kind of bad records at the UN, I say so called because it is a selective democracy (for Jews only) Arabs are being mistreated on all fronts

#3

The U.S. Middle East Envoy and President Obama will have a formidable task to reach a Middle East peace agreement; especially with Prime Minister Netanyahu and the Likud Party.
First even if the Palesinians renounced any acts of terror against Israel and gave full recognition to the State there are several obstacles to overcome. The Likud Party from Menachem Begin to the current Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have as a cornerstone to their policy is the Greater Israel and the annexation of the West Bank land and the Gaza Strip (Judea and Samaria)The Obama Administration and Envoy George Mitchell should keep this in mind with further negotiations because there is a strong likelyhood for an increase in illegal Settlements.
The U.S. lends billions of dollars to Israel and if any of this money were used for the illegal Settlements this can only hinder and damage American credibility in the Middle East and the World in general.

#2

From my understanding the US needs to reduce their funding of Israel until they make efforts to end their occupation. Israel can only expand by acting like the “city on the hill”, an exemplary nation that does it’s best to not transgress limits and who admits to their faults.

But, peace is simply never given a chance, it seems no one can ever admit they can at least understand their adversaries’ grievances.

The UN made a decision without the consent of over a dozen Muslim nations that has led to an unending battle, the death of thousands, and that actually could lead to nuclear weapons being used.

I can understand why Palestinians wouldn’t want to talk to people who don’t fess up to the truth.

And then we can reduce funding to Egypt and Jordan or make sure they don’t use all of it to buy our weapons, instead we can see to it they use it for humanitarian reasons.

#1

To reach peace in the Middle East, Israel must accept the responsibility for the emotional and physical trauma it has caused the Palestinians since 1948. Also, It will require Israel adhering to all United Nations resolutions. Israel can not pick and choose which resolution it wants to cite and which ones it does not want to abide by. Finally, end the illegal occupation of all Arab territories West Banks, Gaza, and East Jerusalem on the Palestinian side, the Golan Heights on the Syrian side, and Shiba Farms on the Lebanese side. After all United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242, 338, 1397, and 1515 all asked Israel for that. But because the American media is so scared to address the question from these angles, many in the US think that the Arabs are the aggressors and not the other way around

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