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#6

The creation of the Afghan/Pakistan border, the creation of Israel, the coup in Iran, Suharto in Indonesia, the use of Somalia as a garbage dumpster, the fact that over a million Iraqis have died since the US invasion, the millions of displaced Afghans, The US propping up dictators in Arabia, Egypt and Jordan etc. are all legitimate reasons for the Muslim world to dislike and distrust the west.

until the US admits this these people’s violent religious fervor will grow along with the number of recruits that join their cause.

the US needs to do every single last thing it can to try and get these people not to hate the west.

1953-1979 Shah of Iran (Muslim nation)
1974-1999 Suharto in Indonesia (largest Muslim nation per capita)

The CIA trained SAVAK Nazi torture techniques.

Suharto’s Kopassus were worse than the Taliban.

http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/langguthleaf.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ANQjYsZGIQ&feature=player_embedded

“SAVAK’s torture methods included electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting brokon glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails.”
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iran/savak/index.html

Excerpts from Yale’s website:
http://www.yale.edu/gsp/east_timor/unverdict.html

THE Indonesian military used starvation as a weapon to exterminate the East Timorese, according to a UN report documenting the deaths of as many as 180,000 civilians at the hands of the occupying forces.

Napalm and chemical weapons, which poisoned the food and water supply, were used by Indonesian soldiers against the East Timorese in the brutal invasion and annexation of the half-island to Australia’s north, according to the Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation report.

It documents a litany of massacres, thousands of summary executions of civilians and the torture of 8500 East Timorese – with horrific details of public beheadings, the mutilation of genitalia, the burying and burning alive of victims, use of cigarettes to burn victims, and ears and genitals being lopped off to display to families.

Thousands of East Timorese women were raped and sexually assaulted during the occupation and the report concludes that rape was also used by the Indonesian military as a weapon of war.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~rgwhitma/classweb2/US%20ploicy%20toward%20East%20Timor.htm
Indonesia launched its 1975 invasion of East Timor hours after Indonesian dictator Suharto and US president Ford and US secretary of state Henry Kissinger met. The US doubled Indonesian’s military aid following the meeting. . The US also blocked the United Nations from taking any action in support of East Timorese independence. During the peak of genocide in the late 1970’s the US provided Indonesia with equipment.

you know?

#5

No matter how violent jihadists can be, and I don’t condone any single act of violence, it still doesn’t negate the fact that they have a legitimate reason to be upset.

The creation of the Afghan/Pakistan border, the creation of Israel, the coup in Iran, Suharto in Indonesia, the use of Somalia as a garbage dumpster, the fact that over a million Iraqis have died since the US invasion, the millions of displaced Afghans, The US propping up dictators in Arabia, Egypt and Jordan etc. are all legitimate reasons for the Muslim world to dislike and distrust the west.

not to mention SAVAK were trained Nazi torture techniques by the CIA and Suharto’s Kopassus were worse than the Taliban.

http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/langguthleaf.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ANQjYsZGIQ&feature=player_embedded

“SAVAK’s torture methods included electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting brokon glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails.”
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iran/savak/index.html

Excerpts from Yale’s website:
http://www.yale.edu/gsp/east_timor/unverdict.html

THE Indonesian military used starvation as a weapon to exterminate the East Timorese, according to a UN report documenting the deaths of as many as 180,000 civilians at the hands of the occupying forces.

Napalm and chemical weapons, which poisoned the food and water supply, were used by Indonesian soldiers against the East Timorese in the brutal invasion and annexation of the half-island to Australia’s north, according to the Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation report.

It documents a litany of massacres, thousands of summary executions of civilians and the torture of 8500 East Timorese – with horrific details of public beheadings, the mutilation of genitalia, the burying and burning alive of victims, use of cigarettes to burn victims, and ears and genitals being lopped off to display to families.

Thousands of East Timorese women were raped and sexually assaulted during the occupation and the report concludes that rape was also used by the Indonesian military as a weapon of war.

It recommends reparations from Indonesia and the members of the UN Security Council, including Britain and the US, who gave military backing to Indonesia between 1974 and 1999, as well as those nations that provided military assistance to Jakarta during the
occupation, including Australia.

and then there’s the stuff we did in South America and SE asia…

#4

No matter how violent jihadists can be, and I don’t condone any single act of violence, but none the less it doesn’t negate the fact that they have a legitimate reason to be upset.

The creation of the Afghan/Pakistan border, the creation of Israel, the coup in Iran, Suharto in Indonesia, the use of Somalia as a garbage dumpster, the fact that over a million Iraqis have died since the US invasion, the millions of displaced Afghans, The US propping up dictators in Arabia, Egypt and Jordan etc. are all legitimate reasons for the Muslim world to dislike and distrust the west.

not to mention SAVAK were trained Nazi torture techniques by the CIA and Suharto’s Kopassus were worse than the Taliban.

http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/langguthleaf.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ANQjYsZGIQ&feature=player_embedded

“SAVAK’s torture methods included electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting brokon glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails.”
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iran/savak/index.html

Excerpts from Yale’s website:
http://www.yale.edu/gsp/east_timor/unverdict.html

THE Indonesian military used starvation as a weapon to exterminate the East Timorese, according to a UN report documenting the deaths of as many as 180,000 civilians at the hands of the occupying forces.

Napalm and chemical weapons, which poisoned the food and water supply, were used by Indonesian soldiers against the East Timorese in the brutal invasion and annexation of the half-island to Australia’s north, according to the Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation report.

It documents a litany of massacres, thousands of summary executions of civilians and the torture of 8500 East Timorese – with horrific details of public beheadings, the mutilation of genitalia, the burying and burning alive of victims, use of cigarettes to burn victims, and ears and genitals being lopped off to display to families.

Thousands of East Timorese women were raped and sexually assaulted during the occupation and the report concludes that rape was also used by the Indonesian military as a weapon of war.

It recommends reparations from Indonesia and the members of the UN Security Council, including Britain and the US, who gave military backing to Indonesia between 1974 and 1999, as well as those nations that provided military assistance to Jakarta during the
occupation, including Australia.

and then there’s the stuff we did in South America and SE asia…

#3

Jacob- please explain what you mean by your statement. Thanks.

#2

http://rethinkafghanistan.com/

#1

this is not a war of necessity. if we admit most of the grievances global jihadists have are in fact legitimate, it actually would do a lot to dampen the fervor and lessen the recruits.

until the US does this we can only blame ourselves for the deaths of our soldiers.

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