February 26, 2009
Poor white South Africans blame reverse discrimination

To some extent, the economic playing field has been leveled since the end of apartheid 15 years ago. But that has had another impact — white poverty has doubled since 1994.

Worldfocus special correspondent Martin Seemungal explores the rising poverty in South Africa’s white community.

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#35

Think about Australia or New Zealand would be in poverty if it wasn’t for the English taking them over so why be so harsh on the South Africans?

#34

I m black male,I think we just need to pray hard and love each other.forgive and forget the past and start living.

#33

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#32

I’m amused by all the racist black people around here. If I’d say that blacks deserve to be poor, I’d be branded a racist. If the US would do affirmative action for whites in the same way South Africa is doing it, people would be outraged. It is sad that we still have morons today who think affirmative action isn’t moral.

And to those blacks who say that Africa is for Africans, I’d ask you to advise your brothers to live Europe already then and move back to Africa. Political correctness is such a disease.

#31

I would like to know how to get in touch with the Methodist Church featured in the presentation which is providing space for refugees. Some of us would like t find a way to help them if you can help us find a way to find them.

#30

Sure Jud, Africa for Africans when Europe is for EUROPEANS you hypocrite.

This isn’t about ‘what goes around, comes around’, because whites have always had it harder than blacks. Blacks couldn’t handle multiculturalism destroying their countries, and it seems like whites are actually starting to recover from it despite the racism we endure from ‘people of color’.

White people are truly stronger than any race that has ever existed for continuing to bounce back from the continuous efforts to destroy our culture and our people.

Some of you who laugh at this and say this is karma might want to worry what karma is bringing your way for being such a hateful and evil person.

#29

Forgetting about this whole idea of racism for a minute, let’s just look at the real facts.

1. If it weren’t for the white immigrants south africa would be ALL poverty just like the rest of Africa.

2. The reason why there is an increase in white poverty is NOT because there is now an equal playing ground for both whites and blacks. It is because the blacks are purposely and legislatively DISCRIMINATING against the whites in favor of blacks. Whereas in white majority countries the whites are discrmiminating against whites so that non-whites can get higher positions.

3. In America and Europe whites and non-whites are given the same opportunities (with affirmative actually discriminating against whites and giving non-whites even more opportunities).

4. Racial crime against whites and hate is FAR greater in South Africa than any racial crime against blacks or any other non-white race in Europe or America.

5. It’s obvious that when non-white people (and particularly blacks) are in control that they do NOT afford THEIR minorities the same outrageously lavish benefits that white majority countries offer their non-white “minorities”.

6. It’s amazing how once white countries (UK and the USA) are falling into 3rd world status in proportion to their white populations being displaced by non-whites. Both America and the USA will be majority non-white very soon and stability is uncertain.

Again, this has nothing to do with racism, they are just facts.

#28

I am a whithe female born in the Free State and then moved to Cape Town the only DA ruling party in South Africa, If you was not born there and lived there you would never understand. We moved to the US only last year but not for politics and I left my daughter behind she is know 24, and she is still postive although she as a whiht woman did not get the goverment work and she was the only whith female in a group of 6 people the others where all black. It is not al what it seems like some people in the US are very uninformed about South Africa. Yes there is problems but that is every where and people black or white is responsiable for there own future by going to school, then university ext, they had it all from day one.

#27

How the South African Police Fiddle Crime Statistics
From The Sunday Times:
Published: Jul 04, 2009
http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=1028811

LYING BASTARDS

The ANC POLICE are trying to hide the true horrific Crime Statistics from the WHITE TOURISTS.
530 CHILDREN RAPED BY BLACKS PER DAY SOUTH AFRICA.
South Africa
The CRIME, MURDER, RAPE Capital of the World.
60 to 149 MURDERS per DAY South Africa
1 RAPE every 17 Seconds in South Africa.
67,000 BABIES RAPED
by BLACK MEN, IN ONE YEAR
530 CHILDREN RAPED BY BLACKS PER DAY SOUTH AFRICA.

3050 WHITE FARMERS TORTURED AND BRUTALLY MURDERED BY BLACKS.

South Africa the RAPE, MURDER Capital of the WORLD.
Proudly South African.

South Africa is the CRIME, MURDER RAPE Capital of the World.
60 to 149 MURDERS per DAY South Africa
PER DAY
WOW.
South Africa is the CRIME, MURDER Capital of the World.

According to South African Police Services: Murders 60 per DAY.
According to Department of Home Affairs: Murders 83 per DAY.
According to Medical Research Council: Murders 89 per DAY
According to Interpol claims: Murders 149 per DAY.

NOT A SINGLE ONE ON SABC TV.
The reason for this under-reporting of MURDER and CRIME in South Africa could be the desire by the ANC Government to change the growing reputation of South Africa as the “crime capital of the world”, this title is one any government would desperately want to lose as it would cause any potential investor to take his money elsewhere.

EXPOSED
ANC Governmunt Conspiracy of silence has been EXPOSED

The South African POLICE said:
“They are not allowed to disseminate information because they have to pretend our suburbs are safe for the World Cup.

We are under siege and the criminals have taken over.”
Also
Massive ANC / SAPS Crime Statistics Cover-up fraud finally exposed.
PAARL Police.
ANC Governmunt 1994 to 2008 today more than 300,000 South Africans murdered.
Including MORE than 35,000 White South Africans murdered since 1994.
Including GENOCIDE 3,050 White Afrikaner Farmers Tortured and Brutally Murdered since 1994.

Nelson Mandela ANC Terrorist Conman.
THE WORLDS GREATEST SPIN DOCTOR.

#26

South Africa is one of the few countries that was colonised and abused, but regained it’s freedom. If it weren’t for the white settlers it would not be where it is today. All of the natives of the countries which were taken over by the white men were abused and killed and used as slaves. But of those countries where abuse went to the extremes only SA was given back. They should be thankful of the white man for giving them the chance to expand and grow, not deny them the chance to experience the growth too

#25

Vanessa #5
As for you hoping that Zuma, the new president, will give new hope… Good luck? The same thing was said about Mbeki, which lead to his own party pushing him towards an early retirement from his presidential position.
As for Zuma, he might look like he’s on a ‘righteous’ path, but where there’s smoke, there’s most likely fire: his curruption scandals and rape accusations. Without a fully resolved trial, it’s been dropped, or ‘forced’ to be dropped before the elections. And why would he like to change the constitution in a manner to remove the maximum lenght of a presidential term? Is he aiming at staying the president indefinately? Mugabe (and this man starves his own people) did exactly the same thing when he became president, emperor or whatever he likes to call himself. I don’t mind anyone becoming president, but changing the terms of constitution is the 1st sign that the one trying to change it isn’t used to living by the law, and certainly won’t inspire others to live by it either. Please find an Obama for South-Africa, someone who actually abides by the law himself, to become the president.
Did you know that French engineers are hauled over to our nice South-Africa, and paid the amount they would get paid in France, which is almost triple of what your get paid if you’re south-african, to supervize the works on the new Worldcup 2010 infrastructure, while a lot of qualified engineers are jobless because they are white? So the government would rather spend more to deny white engineers jobs. This has a negative effect on other areas aswell.
A lot of promises were made leading up to the previous eletions, and the elections before that, for example, the promise of housing. The government would build up a budget on housing projects, to turn most of the ’squatter camps’ into housing neighbourhoods. But this has long been forgotten, because that same budget is being redirected from socially aimed projects to the construction budget for the 2010 worldcup and the French engineers. So running up to the worldcup you’ve got some extra jobs, and during the worldcup aswell, but what will happen after the worldcup? Back to unemployment for a lot of people, no budget for housing anymore and the rich will only get richer… This is where the lack of qualified individuals being denied jobs shows itself. Not only well-thought through planning, but calculation of the budgets, could be done by qualified people, but now rests in the hands of people guessing at what ‘bet’ would make the most profit.
I’m still waiting for the promises made, to help my family…

#24

On this Sabbath Club of Rome confirmation of 45% Sechelles- Seychelles debts – the painful Reportage by Arte on South Africa White.

Dear President J A Michel, FA Rene, SPPF, Seychelles government and Assembly – the Seychelles community who have lived and worked in South Africa and their friends in Seychelles.

We grew up around the family of former President FA Rene and that of James Michel – indeed very many Seychellois families from our early days of recollection 1953/54 until 1977 when we left Seychelles for exile. Among one of the first second or third to go into exile – our reasons and the reasons. The very many families of white decent be they French, British, other European National – we have never seen, recall and confronted with such terrible TV Documentary reportage of human situation.

{For those of you who will not shut their mouth and suddenly start raving /raging your Satanic puck – shut up and listen – I/we belong to one of those in the world who created the impetus for the First Live Aid by Bob Geldorf to take place and save the millions starving in Ethiopia and since them very – very many such inputs and contribution across the world. Indeed last years situation in Kenya, Zimbabwe, Madagascar and current situation Somalia.}

We challenge FA Rene and JA Michel – the SPPF by the same moral argument they have used the past 35 years to help and better the live of the Black and colored population in Seychelles – the state of things until 1988 and the changes which those of us led/fought that Nelson Mandela gain his freedom and changes come to south Africa. The belief and conviction that in spite of the bloody and terrible history of Independence in Africa - the outcome of the White or Asians, that in the case of South Africa like in Seychelles will lend and make an example of practice.

Like the Seychelles government and the SPPF politic in Seychelles since 1977 to 1991 and after 1993 to date where the government, politicians and party have practice their own brand of Aparthide – that is given business, job, position, support and favors only to those who support them, vote for them , go along their political thinking etc. The situation which began to take place in South Africa as early as 1993 when the exodus began – the mass migration from south Africa, the past and current government of south Africa politic – jobs , favor and support for those who support them and work with them – how the white began to become bystanders, marginalized and when one study and take stock of the situation ins south Africa today the lives and poverty of the whites – those who have build and work for south Africa they are living in slums and squalors just like any squalor and shanty town in South African and very many other parts of the world.

The issues of that mega Financial and economic melt down is badly explained and portraited by they world media and the politicians – two years ago we were asking where has the $500 – 800 billions debt money gone to from Africa. The system in place in USA, Europe, Asia to use their power and resource to create system that overnight swallowed the $500/800 billions African debt money – and those people and nations found them self worse off than they were before the debt Conference – because the infernal system/machine was not in place to turn their lives into hell.

Those big Jewish Multinational that and who had come to Seychelles with the same desire and prospect – how when we first spotted this we began to insult them and threaten to use our French and European archaic/fraternal – Christian mechanism to confront and challenge them. Some of the terrible outcomes. { Then have the arrogance to threaten all those who did not support them or went along their infernal skims as Terrorists and they would send Israeli eliminating Squads anywhere in the world to eliminate them}

We informed the South African government, their Heraldic institutions, Seychelles many officials, France, Britain, Italy – the Vatican, Holland, Portugal, Austria – the European Heraldic colleges and relevant institutions - many of the European archaic/fraternal institutions that we had prior to concepting that coat of arms for our EU community put together a national flag for Seychelles how in 1988/9 this was taken and by what methods and made the flag of south Africa and the original can be seen/vied on our community portal.

How when it came/we came to concept the coat of arms for our Sechelles – Seychelles instead of using a French we used a Dutch Old colonial coat of arms to build, model our Sechelles - Seychelles EU community coat of arms, our reasons.

Those in South Africa, in Europe, in Asia, in Seychelles who were interested in only how big the money from this project and the properties of the heraldic synergies they would and could make the mass fortunes and wealth they have all made, the South African Stock markets, big corporations and property market and the Black politicians those who have benefited very importantly too – we the Sechelles – Seychelles EU community have had crumbs or next to nothing. This in the history and complex archaic, heraldic and fraternal – Christians system and mechanism of heraldry is unheard, intolerable and courting very and very big disaster – in the old days wars or major conflicts.

We have taken extra time to think and visualize the situation of those people in South Africa – meanwhile in the Indian Ocean, from Mauritius, Reunion, Madagascar, Comor, Sir Lanka, Maldive, African Union, the Gulf Region, Indian and Asian countries who have benefited very importantly for that heraldic – coat of arms project of our Sechelles -, Seychelles EU community in $millions, billions and trillions – the state and fate of those large and growing number of white in South African upon which our Sechelles Seychelles EU Community coat of Arms is build upon – inspired.

Every creature, animals, plants, virus, microbe, organism relate – their brain and thinking mechanism inform them who their species and origins are and what they are all about – we are talking of human here irrespective black or white.

In Sechelles – Seychelles had president FA Rene or JA Michel continued – perused with their terrible one sided politic, Sechelles, Seychelles would have been change by military force and the outcome. This we can say with very great certainty. Because of our important effort to avoid, help avert this outcome. Today as the club of Rome confirm to write off 45% of Seychelles debt those who have swindle, stolen, skimmed of/creamed off a large amount of this money. The standard of living for the Black and colored and what is left of the French and other white settlers – their decent in Seychelles. This is not the case in South Africa a land of very vast riches, economic possibilities, resources, and the state of things in the African Union today – those who aspire for a greater and better African Union.

We had that mega earthquake and Tsunami of 2004/5 the outcome. We have had this mega financial and economic Earthquake and Tsunami of 2008/9 unless those who care about future posterity, the people of the planet earth get together and do something fast – the next event and time round we may be lucky if we even have possibilities and capacity to have a space in a slum to live. May I/we add have very many friends conncetions with the British and European Roma people - what we have seen from that report stinks - it is bloody evil.

#23

South Africa is following in the footsteps of America when it come to equal wrights, like anerica, when all of the older people die then most of the descrimination will die.

#22

In most of what I read here I sense anger and judgment. It is sad to see that at this point in this century people still do not understand that Humans are humans, no matter what the color of the skin is! As someone mentioned, we should learn from the past and not seek to repeat it. I believe that any act of discrimination is just wrong and the governments we elect should not encourage that in any shape or form. Now as to the white South Africans vs. the black ones, there should be equality and the government should make sure that all are treated fairly and given the same opportunities. There needs to be a change of mentality; only when we understand that we are all humans with the same blood flowing through us, with the same issues, will the problem be addressed correctly!
I very much understand the idea behind affirmative action, but the root of this act is discrimination…true, a certain part of the population suffered for a long time, but how does returning the favor to the offending party benefit anyone? This just creates more anger and hatred and it is a time bomb just waiting to explode!!
We need to stop focusing on the blame and instead seeking solutions that will bring all together instead of further dividing.

And for the readers information, I am an African lady, but not from South Africa; I currently live in the USA and have at times been victim of discrimination. This has not made me bitter, but instead made me realize how much more we need to take down the barriers of race and such things. We usually talk about black and white, but even among whites or blacks or Asians and whatever distinction you care to bring up, we still find a way to discriminate!! THAT NEEDS TO STOP!

#21

O.R. YEW #13,

Lack of understanding? Tell me what I said wrong and show me how. More children die before the age of 5 in South Africa now than in any other country in Africa. Blacks never had it this bad even under apartheid. Compassion, for what? You are responsible for the government you elect. Zimbabwe, South Africa all CHOSE their governments through a ballot box. Live with your choices and the consequences thereof.

Jud #17,

So what is an African in your view? He has to be black in order to be an African? Clearly you don’t even understand the consequences of BEE. You are nothing more than a misguided bleeding heart liberal. By the way I did not benefit from apartheid as you suggest, as you correctly noted - blacks did not benefit. I lack your misconceptions. I know that liberals such as yourself have destroyed MY continent by failing time and time again by not holding black leaders accountable for their actions or inactions. I hold people accountable irrespective of the colour of their skin.

We learn from the past, not live in it!

#20

How ignorant! people here are still referring to independent African countries such as Zimbabwe by their colonial names “Rhodesia”. Get over it. Africa is … AFRICAN!

#19

I shall try my best to inform people about the need to vote for Jacob Zuma and the need for support of any kind…

#18

It was good that Worldfocus aired the story on white poverty in South Africa. Now if only they would do similar stories on Rhodesia and other parts of White Africa.

#17

Andre #13,
You got to be one of the old white folks who used to enjoy the benefits of being white during the Apartheid years. you should not tell others that they do not understand how the BEE works and how whites are disenfranchised. Native South Africans (Not the European South Africans) have suffered for long to let your kind live comfortable while they suffered. So learn to live with the consequences of Apartheid, and if you do not like what you see, then …. Africa is for Africans.

#16

I am sorry to say this, but for one white poor family there are thousand black poor families. I cannot believe what the black south African lady said at the end “they (whites) are not used to being poor so i feel for them.” What? what i am saying is that when there are a couple of poor white folks complain about being poor, we hear and see it across the world and try to make the system that they are governed in is unfair, but when you have millions of poor black South Africans, nobody cares….. From the report what i have learned is that the whites folks wish they could get the old days back. the old days where they abused and did not even care about how poor the black South Africans lived. all i can say is that the white folks should learn to live just like the millions of poor South Africans, and stop complaining! “What goes arond comes around!”

#15

It is funny how alot of you folks seem to have become arm-chair experts on South africa, when you probably don’t even know where in the world South Africa is. We are on the brink of civil war, yet you keep thinking up excuses of so called “injustices”. You keep thinking up excuses for an inept/racist government. Now it seems the world economy is on the brink of implosion. What we have learned so far, is that apartheid didn’t work, and now democracy isn’t working either. The ‘majority’ is too stupid to realise what the implications of their own government’s actions are. Multi culturism is like communism, in theory it seems perfect, in practice it is an abysmal failure.

#14

Andre,your coments speak volumes to your lack of understanding and compassion on behalf of the so-called blacks of south africa(azania).you theroies are tenable if we consider your evidence and avoid any other.shame on you and may
god bless your lost soul

#13

I am always amazed at home little people know about South Africa yet feel free to make comments which are misguided. There is no equal footing when it comes to employment. Only blacks gain from Affirmative Action. The other minorities such as Coloureds and Indians get the same treatment as whites. They are ostracized from South African employment. BEE or “Black Economic Empowerment” dictates that you must be ‘black’ to get contracts from the government for your company. It also dictates that companies registered in SA must have a black person on the board of directors.

People don’t long for the days gone by because they want apartheid back. They long for those days because everything worked be they black or white. 15 years in what the West calls ‘Freedom’ has created a near failed state. Where 50 people are murdered each day and unemployment is at 40%. There would not be a poverty problem in South Africa to this extent if the ANC ruling party did not spend money on white elephants such as spending billions on buying warships and jets, world cup white elephant stadiums when black and white are in poverty. How many current members of parliament right now have been charged and convicted of fraud and corruption - loads!

#12

To Tim-
No one is gloating about the condition of the poor whites. I think everyone is acknowledging that anyone suffering under such conditions is wrong.
I myself was simply pointing out that for the whites to blame the black government, while seemingly reminiscing about how well they did under Apartheid is wrong, and reflective of the same thinking which created Apartheid in the first place. They need to realize that the Apartheid is responsible for their and every one else in South Africa’s plight.

As for the black woman you mentioned, she actually bothered me a great deal. She seemed to be of a mindset that suggests that its WORSE to see whites in poverty than blacks, which is reflective of a self-loathing that systems such as Apartheid create in the minds of the victims.

#11

Interesting to see how many posters here gloating about the plight of poor white people in SA. In the midst of your smugness, let me remind you - the black lady interviewed in the video did not share your glee.

#10

It was funny to me that the whites interviewed blame the black government for their poverty. The fact that they can’t come to terms with the real culprit of their economic suffering is one of the reasons they can’t recover. They have to first realize that the system of Apartheid, which I’m sure some of them benefitted from, is the cause of their problems. Just like a rubberband stretched to its limits snaps back with equal force, so to are they feeling the sting of their country’s injustice. Yes, it is wrong for anyone to suffer regardless of race. And hopefully this will end (all over the world). But the whites who are suffering need to realize that they’re reaping what they sowed. Not merely karmically, but socially. I have no doubt that the blacks in power are engaing in some level of unfair practices. But just as someone who is injured has to HEAL before they can function at their best, so to, must the blacks who suffered under Apartheid need to have time to heal and release the penned up hostilities.

#9

Perhaps, now the “Whites” will realize how cruel and unjust they had been towards “Blacks”, for centuries. Now, they are getting a TASTE of INJUSTICE.
KARMA, “What goes around, comes around”, or “You reap what you sow”. The Bible says: “Those who are first shall be last, and those who are last shall be first”. Perhaps, this experience will make people reconsider their treatment of others.

#8

Some of the people who wrote comment about South African video made me laugh. I never live in the country but I have talk to people from there black and white. They all tell me the same thing about the ANC and the BEE system. How do you think South Africa became one of the develop country in Africa? Zimbabwe was once the bread basket of Africa can’t even feed the population they depend on other country handout. Ian Smith had Robert Mugabe in jail then the blacks, and the west said this is a crime to have this man in jail look at the country now under Robert Mugabe.

Yes the apartheid system was a bad system for blacks. Nelson Mandele wife said she understand why the whites had apartheid so they can survive. The BEE has forced many skill workers out of the country it has made many whites poor as you can see in the video. Image the United States having affirmative action policy for the majority. The majority in South Africa is the blacks the whites only make up eight percent of the country population stop blaming the whites.

The European nation didn’t steal from Africa, India, and etc. They built the country and did a good job running them. What were the black African, Indian, and Native American doing before the European came? The Roman use slave when they conquer the world most of them were white not black. I don’t see Roman or the west feeling bad for the white people they enslave.

#7

To Ben Van (poster No 3) I will say it could be worst than affirmative action, we could have a reverse apartheid where all whites are herded into the ghettoes of Soweto.

#6

No disrespect to any of the commenters, but many people are confused about white poverty in South Africa. First, I would like Jacob Zuma to get his priorities straight: expend more resources to help black South Africans instead of talking about equality that’s baseless in its premise. There’s poverty is every society, even in the great United States of America. Why are people getting worked up over a handful of poor white South Africans (when compared to SA’s population)? Who cares! The years of poverty-led policies towards black SA was encouraged by the apartheid regime in South Africa and many European nations that had vested interest in apartheid South Africa. Whites in SA are the result of open competition in the system, just like in the market economy, not directly discrimination. There isn’t favoritism because they are whites, anymore, and some had the nerves to blame the blacks in SA. The discourse rather, should be about improving the lives of blacks that had been under extreme poverty deliberately perpetuated by unlawful, corrupt apartheid regime of the past, and which still exists today in other forms.
One can tell that blacks have accepted that poverty is synonymous to blacks. Even blacks are the ones saying it. This notion simply alludes to a “conditioned response” that’s ingrained in the minds and beliefs of blacks. They, themselves cannot believe that white people can be poor, or should be poor. This is simple: SLAVERY MENTALITY. The political dialogue should be about creating a system that’s inclusive and receptive to all. To me, all lives are equal. But it’s shameful to spend time to talk about white poverty.
Zuma should focus on his Constituency before trying to be the savior. The problem with black leaders sometimes is that they display inferiority on certain matters, such as this one. Or maybe he’s just playing politics; which I doubt. There are millions of blacks in poverty world over. Check out Haiti and you will understand. Haiti is the poorest country or one of the poorest countries in the western hemisphere, a stone throw from the U.S. shore. No one is really “losing sleep” in the U.S over it.

#5

I found the empathy that the black South African woman had for the poverty stricken white’s to be inspirational. When the black woman commented that “blacks are used to it but it made her uncomfortable and feel bad to see white’s going through it” I was just awestruck. On the same note I was saddened to see that the poverty stricken whites are blaming the blacks for the situation they are in. I hope the new president gives new hope to ALL South Africans in the coming years. I am a newbie but love World Focus and its my new favorite news program. Thanks for having the best news that really matters.

#4

Poverty in any form is a sad and horrible thing. It is also, with 6+ billion people on the planet, a fact of human existence. Yet I find it fascinating that black south africans found it somehow different and more difficult to look at when it was white south africans that were suffering. “It’s different,” one black woman said “blacks are used to it.” Ouch. That should really hurt - all of us, whatever race - that we see it as somehow less painful, ‘ok’ maybe, for one racial group to suffer poverty than another. I saw the S.A. film “Tsotsi” some years back about the ghettos that still exist today in S.A. It highlighted the poverty that millions of blacks experience everyday. Their poverty was as absolute, if not more physically horrible than those highlighted in your report…. yet….. I don’t know…. It is troubling to me that somehow, maybe, white poverty hits us differently and as more horrible than poverty of other races - black or indian (Slum Dog Millionaire) or Brazil, or Mexico or Indonesia or wherever. Is it because we are so used to seeing others suffer poverty but not us white folks? Some moral and ethical dilemma stews in me, but I can’t grasp it. Troubling.

#3

Biggest problem with the report:”Blacks and whites now compete on an equal basis (for jobs)” South Africa has the most aggressive Affirmative Action Policy in the world. 60% of government posts are vacant, because there is no qualified black to fill it and they are unwilling to give it to a white. Ironically, this means that while the rich are being provided for by the Private sector (health and security) the poor suffer horrendous services because they can’t afford private health and security, and must look to a rotten disfunctional govenrment sector - understaffed, underskilled and as a bonus…corrupt. Chainreaction. SA is bleeding white skilled workers, losing it to other more appreciative and safe countries. Also very greatful countries. No, F. Belyea, there’s no PEACE in SA, only shattered PIECES.

#2

I’am a black male and i do feel sorry for them, i’m a person who would not want to see anyone in poverty.

#1

Yes, is it rather disturbing to see “poverty” whether it be black or white.
However, let us remember how the English, the French, the Dutch and many “white” nations who went into countries all around the world such as Africa, India, parts of the Middle East, the Caribbean Islands (Jamaica, Haiti, etc, Australia and more and “colonized” these peoples. Took (stole) the natural resources such as land, gold, diamonds, oil and more to benefit themselves for hundreds of years. Putting the indigenous people into poverty, slavery and as “second class” citizens. Look at the Aborigines from Australia, the Native Americans, Africans, Asian Indians and people of color ALL over this planet.
This is one of the FEW times in history that you will see the social and economic turn to the “disadvantage” of a “white” person. There is the old addage: “What goes around…comes around”! Finally in my lifetime! PEACE!

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