January 29, 2009
Canada’s free health care comes with long lines

The Worldfocus signature story Canada’s hospitals cut the paperwork, emphasize care explored how the country has cut administrative costs and redirected funds to care.

But for many, Canada’s universal health care model comes with flaws — long lines have sent some Canadians to private clinics.

Worldfocus special correspondent Edie Magnus, producer Rebecca Haggerty and shooter Megan Thompson report from Montreal.

View an extended half-hour interview with economist Uwe Reinhardt: How the U.S. measures up to Canada’s health care system.

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15 comments

#15

A question for Kris, #13, was the $500 the total cost or your co-pay?
Also, while it is probably true the best health care in the world is available in the U.S., we do not have anywhere near the best health care system. The key world is available, which is certainly not to all. As long as medical costs continue to bankrupt entire American families it is obvious ours is a systems in dire need of major repair.

#14

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#13

This is in response to Robert, comment #9. I had an MRI in the States 3 months ago and the cost was $500. Cheaper than the clinic in Canada.

#12

Greetings from the GWN (Great White North) to our cousins to south in the Corporate Welfare State of America :-);

Getting down to the nitty gritty of Universal Health Care, please note the following:

-Health care is not free. Somebody has to pay. We do it up here via a federal mandate and some redistribution of federal tax $$. There are also taxes collected provincially. Had to smile last year when a neighbor (won’t mention any names) kiboshed a 2 cent tax on a bottle of wine and 5 cents on pop(soda). Yep, It would have ruined the local economy. Yes and if all the money that was spend on negative advertising was spent on the targeted programs, they could have done without the taxes for three years….go figure!

-The system is essentially run by the individual provinces (state equivalent). Payouts to professionals and hospitals are carried out at this level.

-Some jurisdictions have farmed this service out to HMO types, thus increasing the costs involved. Some have built an independent beurocracy to do the same thing apparently at a saving(non profit). Some other countries have very interesting implementations of this model. Too bad our politicians don’t look.

- We can choose our own doctors (with the exception that one has to be refered to a specialist by a doctor). Ditto with hospitals. if my town only has one hospital, I guess I would have to move.

-The standard of care is based on (not counting the short comings of the practice of medicine):

1)Acute nature of the problem. Is something life threatening. Out patient service is based on triaging. Elsewise, it is dependent on the competency of a particular doctor. There is no hospital fee for covered care.

2)A basic set of practices\proceedures recognized as relatively essential eg) blood tests xrays.

3) Cosmetic\elective proceedures are not covered.

And finally - yes we can get additional coverage from HMO type companies which cover extras like dental, optometry, medications, comlimentary care etc.. Why even the banks are getting into insurance.

So, when I hear some of the neocrats spewing on the subject, I just wonder how much they really know or are merely agendizing a topic.

great discussion EH?!

#11

[...] Canada’s free health care comes with long lines [...]

#10

US doctors cannot care less about the patients, the only care about the dollar sign on your forehead, and the only reason they don’t kill more people is because they’re afraid that you could sue their not sorry ass! Once out of medical school they abandon any continuing education and learning, and become big pharma’s sales agents. If i were a doctor I couldn’t sleep thinking that my ignorance could jeopardize or take people’s life. To be a doctor should be a call, and not a get rich scheme. I am sure that Cda’s government healthcare is far from perfect, God help us all so we stay healthy, otherwise we are lost at the hands of incompetents and greedy.

#9

You stated that some Canadians were going to “private Clinics”, then told of a man who went to such a clinic for an MRI. He paid aproximately $650. What would the cost be for the same procedure in the US?? Has anyone checked the numbers???

#8

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#7

Anthony Says:
Why is it that if you say the name of a U.S. city, followed by the name of the state, but if you name a Canadian city you follow it with the name of the country? Montreal is in the Province of Quebec!
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Anthony, we just figure Canadians need a little help in figuring out what country they’re in. :-)

#6

Hi…
I just watched this from the US. We have flown 7 times had 11 surgeries and layed out over $500,000 having to sell everything. My same surgeries were paid by one province in the US for this condition. Now because our genetic condition could not be treated in Canada every patient who wants to apply go to the states are denied automatically. One patient diagnosed in the US was sent to England. When patients in England go to the US. No doctor in Canada will help us. Why do people with minor surgeries get there way when if we stay in Canada we will die. They tried to bring my daughter back from the US and stop the surgery after they made a mistake and to cover it up. The US doctor went to Canada because he does not get sued. If you die from a mistake you get paid $75,000.

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#5

Dear: Friends out there whoever gets their heart touched;

I am Canadian yet the 6 coldests months I cannot live in my country I would literally die. In winter even in a warm home I cannot breat and talk or walk, I literally go into strkes. The M.R. I.s of my brain shw 12 ruptured small veins. In a warm climate I have much less pain and the illness progresses slowly.

We have managed for 5 yrs. to go to a warm climate. Now we are in debt of over $30,000 and when we return to canada this year we have to declare bankruptsy and loose our car.

I am NOT asking for anyone to pay our debts only if possible one more year of life for me. Next winter I need to leave for 6 months it costs in ALL $5,000. It´s a LOT but this pays for plane fairs there and back, apartment. taxis and buses and medical needs while there.

DO YOOU KNOW ANYONE WHO COULD HELP ME ONE YEAR??????

You know I did volunteer work for 25 yrs and LVED IT!!! THIS IS SOO HUMILIATING TO ME TO ASK FOR HELP!!!!! There is MUCH more happiness in giving then receiving. While here In South America I can still help others!!!!! IT BRINGS ME GREAT JOY!!! I would love one more year of this please.

Sincerely, Leah Diaz ANY INFO TO MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT A FRAUD NO PROBLEM ILL PROVIDE ALL YOU NEED!!!!!!!

#4

I don’t know how our government thinks that building all these private clinics is going to help put more doctors and nurses into our state hospitals.

#3

There are legislators in the United States that brag we are the wealthiest nation.

View the World Focus Signature Series on Global Health (http://worldfocus.org/blog/tag/health-of-nations/) and the BBC Panorama investigative news program “What now, Mr President?” (http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_7854000/7854496.stm).

Then call to task your elected officials in congress to explain why they believe the huddled masses are the richest in the world. There reasoning must be publicized.

Then view the Bill Moyers’ Journal segment on our institutions of higher learning that reported in the “Measuring Up 2008” a failing grade was given to 49 of the 50 states for college affordability. The clip can be viewed at: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01302009/watch2.html.

The second question that should be posed to our legislators is why they believe we are the smartest nation on planet earth. There reasoning on this issue must also be publicized.

The third question asked of these officials is exactly how much money have they received from corporate healthcare America. Complete transparency is required for voters to make an informed decision in upcoming elections.

If We the People don’t ask the right questions and receive deliberate and rational answers in a common sense form then U.S. citizens are the problem with what ails all of us in a participatory democracy.

When media sources like the ones mentioned above unveil the truth they are telling the world there is an “Audacity Of Hope” and “Yes We Can”.

#2

Hello: I just watched this from the US. We have flown 7 times had 11 surgeries and layed out over $500,000 having to sell everything. My same surgeries were paid by one province in the US for this condition. Now because our genetic condition could not be treated in Canada every patient who wants to apply go to the states are denied automatically. One patient diagnosed in the US was sent to England. When patients in England go to the US. No doctor in Canada will help us. Why do people with minor surgeries get there way when if we stay in Canada we will die. They tried to bring my daughter back from the US and stop the surgery after they made a mistake and to cover it up. The US doctor went to Canada because he does not get sued. If you die from a mistake you get paid $75,000. If you make a mistake and you are debilitadedj the max you can sue is for $360,000. But will cost more in legal fees to get that. The govt. paid for me to go to Mayo Clinic and they could not help me. I found the place in the US where the condition was redefined and the neurosurgeons in Canada refuse to work with the neurosurgeons they are jelous about. Why do we have to get caught in the middle of the politics of the doctors who think they are god. I am out of a wheel chair and alive and my daughter alive due to the nsgs. in New York. They said it is not in the medical books but it was at that time. They abused our family in the hospital both physically and mentally. We have the proof. We need medical attention and no doctor will help us and the government refuses to listen and tells us we need a lawyer, but we need help now. Because of money we did not get the proper care in New York and are suffering for it. They fixed mistakes done by the nsgs in Canada. You think this is all not true. It is! The Health Minister said for us to get a lawyer and then would not talk to us. We cannot sue for the amount of money he would have to charge us! He does not want to take our money from us when we are using it for medical attention in New York. My daughter was kicked out of ICU in Calgary after they almost Killed her and was told we should befriend the nsg that made mistakes and refused to help us….WE were refused medical attention from the University of Alberta Hospital for my daughter. They refused to work with the doctor who diagnosed my daughter and I refused surgery that would’ve killed her and it was a procedure in the middle of her brain and only diagnostic. I made this decision based on the advise of the nsg in New York. We spoke on the cell phone and by e-mail. You can check the local news and the large news company would not tell our story because it is against the doctors who are hired on by the government. So they would not tell the story. Our family doctor refered me out of country and agreed we are best treated in New York and was threatened by the College of Surgeons and Physicians that he could not listen or treat the diagnosis from NY. there website is chiariinstitute.com. You will see they are legitimate. You can also read my daughters poem on our website http://www.chiariincanada.com. I lay my life in their hands…She has to make changes on there but it is on one of the tabs. She wrote this while she was dying and does not remember writing it. She is presently in a body brace and dying if she does not get the medical attention she needs. WE were so scared after what happened in Calgary in September we had to leave to keep our sanity. We are closer to our doctors. We do not have the money to have the tests done that they want to have done. We are too sick to go back to Canada to have them done and do not have the money.

We are alive and many people are suffering, dying in Canada because they are being refused the care that the government knows about. They cannot see spinal fluid in real time during surgery and this is brain and spinal cord surgeries. I had damage like Christopher Reeves and now stop breathing when I lay flat. Thank you to the New York doctors that i am alive and out of a wheelchair. I still need help but they did fix what they could at that time. I just need more care because of all the damages and what has happened over the time period.

The US health Care system is not that great and they know it but it is up to the insurance companies that needs to have a standard where it is affordable. People with this condition do have the medical treatment they need in the States but not in Canada. The many patients who have been able to come up with the money have come to the Chiari Institute. Dr. Bolognese is from Italy who invented the Color Doppler System. Dr. Milhorat is the best nsg in the US. He was chief nsg at the US National Children’s Hospital. He has made his life’s mission to help people with this condition, now linking other genetic conditions to it. I have lived the opposit and they do not realize the major contribution they are going to make and have already. The best kept secret which needs to get out!!! So many people are suffering and do not need to. Please read our website. They cut the end of my brain off and i have a problem with organization. I just did my best to get this story out. It burns me up to see the Canadian Health System Raving when I cannot even get Heart surgery because the one nsg screwed up. WE Cannot choose our doctors but they can refuse us!!! I was told after asking for another doctor to take care of our medical needs and he said ‘his hands are tied because of Dr. _____ and Administration’. This is suppose to be at one of the very best hospitals in Canada! U of A Childrens!! WE can be reached at 973-706-5508. We need to get this story out. No one will listen because of all the politics and we are caught in the middle of it. My daughter is 20 and son 18 they should be in University. The Irony is that my daughter was accepted at the U of A for medical education. Please help us tell our story. I did my best. You will communicate with my daughter. I want to be in the back ground at there is alot of footages done. People and schools have written Oprah, Dr. Phil but people do not listen to our story because they do not believe this could happen in Canada. My parents are war children and immigrated to Canada. We defected to the states because we are too scared to be in Canada! It is not a free country when it comes to the medical system! Our website is not commercial. The doctors is only for information to prove our condition. It is not intended for commecial–medical information. Chiarione.org is an information site. asap.com is also a medical site related to our condition… Keep the sun shining in your heart always… Elvira, Charlyne and Robert

#1

Why is it that if you say the name of a U.S. city, followed by the name of the state, but if you name a Canadian city you follow it with the name of the country? Montreal is in the Province of Quebec!

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